Who To Keep

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Thats utterly ridiculous.....
WR is the only skill position we are set at.

Agree. He is a top 5 receiver in the league.

[WillH]

Trading DJax is the worst idea I've heard.

[SFREDSKIN]

These are my keepers (I kept Helu, but would trade him and Jarvis Jenkins keep Chris Thompson) LeRibeus is on the bubble.

Amerson, Baker, Breeland, Cofield, Compton T., Compton, W., Cousins, Davis, Akeem, Forbath, Garçon, Grant,, Griffin III,Hankerson, Helu, Jackson, DeSean, Jenkins, Jarvis, Kearse, Frank, Kerrigan, Ryan, Lauvao, LeRibeus, Lichtensteiger, Long, Miller, Gabe, Morris, Alfred, Paul, Niles, Redd, Silas, Reed, Jordan, Robinson, Keenan, Sundberg, Nick, Thomas, Phillip, Thompson, Chris, Way, Tress, Williams, Trent, Young, Darrel, Hatcher, Jason, Hayward, Adam, Ihenacho, Duke, McCoy, Colt, Moses,Morgan, Murphy, Trent, Neild, Chris

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

These are my keepers (I kept Helu, but would trade him and Jarvis Jenkins keep Chris Thompson) LeRibeus is on the bubble.

Amerson, Baker, Breeland, Cofield, Compton T., Compton, W., Cousins, Davis, Akeem, Forbath, Garçon, Grant,, Griffin III,Hankerson, Helu, Jackson, DeSean, Jenkins, Jarvis, Kearse, Frank, Kerrigan, Ryan, Lauvao, LeRibeus, Lichtensteiger, Long, Miller, Gabe, Morris, Alfred, Paul, Niles, Redd, Silas, Reed, Jordan, Robinson, Keenan, Sundberg, Nick, Thomas, Phillip, Thompson, Chris, Way, Tress, Williams, Trent, Young, Darrel, Hatcher, Jason, Hayward, Adam, Ihenacho, Duke, McCoy, Colt, Moses,Morgan, Murphy, Trent, Neild, Chris

Some of those guys are no-brainers, but come on... Neild? I love Neild, love him, but he's torn his ACL in BOTH knees. If he could get the same push off the line as he had, even in 2013, after the first ACL tear, I'd be surprised.

And Hank? He'd be an upgrade over Roberts, but with Grant waiting in the wings (and who I think could be decent next season) we can't sign a good slot receiver? We're still hanging our hats fragile hips Hank?

*sigh*

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Some of those guys are no-brainers, but come on... Neild? I love Neild, love him, but he's torn his ACL in BOTH knees. If he could get the same push off the line as he had, even in 2013, after the first ACL tear, I'd be surprised.

And Hank? He'd be an upgrade over Roberts, but with Grant waiting in the wings (and who I think could be decent next season) we can't sign a good slot receiver? We're still hanging our hats fragile hips Hank?

*sigh*

I think I have 37/38 players, you can't get rid of everybody, gotta have some bodies in there. Nield is for depth. Where are you going to get the other 15-20 players?

[Hog1]

We need about 10 starters to be a real threat. IF we do a good job in the OFF, we can get about half of that done this year......

[rocnrik]

D jax,Garcon,Morris,Reed,Williams,Helu,Way,Kerrigan, Breeland,Robinson..all the rest of the players you could replace with any other teams so so players and we would not be any worse off..in truth the skins have about 12 top players on the team and no depth..until we get a real GM that knows how to draft and make smart free agency moves this team is going to be bad for many years..

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think I have 37/38 players, you can't get rid of everybody, gotta have some bodies in there. Nield is for depth. Where are you going to get the other 15-20 players?

Practice squad! lol they gotta be better then some of those lifeless husks they've got on the 53 man roster!

In all seriousness, I get it, Rome wasn't conquered in a day, and this is going to take at least a couple seasons of cuts, signings, drafting and development. I just hate to think that we'll end up with the some of the same worthless players next year as we have this year.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Practice squad! lol they gotta be better then some of those lifeless husks they've got on the 53 man roster!

In all seriousness, I get it, Rome wasn't conquered in a day, and this is going to take at least a couple seasons of cuts, signings, drafting and development. I just hate to think that we'll end up with the some of the same worthless players next year as we have this year.

Unfortunately there's no easy way out. Some of our players (especially on D) could surprise under a competent DC.

[HailGreen28]

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Thats utterly ridiculous.....
WR is the only skill position we are set at.

Classic cars are fun to look at but even more fun to drive. Unlike classic cars NFL receivers have a shelf-life and depreciate with time.

I hope enjoy watching Jackson try to do epic shit with basic people.

[Hail to the Redskins]

Interesting QB Stats:

McCoy - 96.4 Rating - 91-of-128 (71.1%), 1,057yds, 4 TD, 3 INT, 17 Sacks
Griffin - 86.9 Rating - 147-of-214 (68.7%), 1,694yds, 4 TD, 6 INT, 33 Sacks
Cousins - 86.4 Rating - 126-of-204 (61.8%), 1,710yds, 10 TD, 9 INT, 8 Sacks

Sack Rates:
McCoy: 1 per 7.5 attempts (That's 67 over a full 500-attempt season)
Griffin: 1 per 6.5 attempts (77 - full season)
Cousins: 1 per 25.5 attempts (20 - full season)

TD Rates:
McCoy: 1 per 32 attempts (16 in a full season)
Griffin: 1 per 53.5 attempts (9... yes 9... in a full season)
Cousins: 1 per 20.4 attempts (25 in a full season)

Yards-per-Completion:
McCoy: 11.6yds/comp
Griffin: 11.5yds/comp
Cousins: 13.6yds/comp

INT Rates:
McCoy: 1 per 42.7 attempts (12 in full season)
Griffin: 1 per 35.7 attempts (14 in full season)
Cousins: 1 per 22.7 attempts (22 in full season)

These are crazy numbers.

Look at the sack-per-attempt numbers... They are insanely different amongst the group. What does that tell you about the QBs and their knowledge of the offense & getting the ball out?

I will say this over and over and over again... Cousins is our least stinkiest option of the 3 moving forward. Our LEAST mobile QB gets sacked at a decisively lower rate? I mean, by a WIDE margin.

Not only does he know the offense well enough to get the ball out quickly (to the WRs & TEs - Hell, he made N. Paul look All-Pro), but look at the TD numbers as well. Again, a HUGE difference in the three. To me, it was painfully clear that the Red Zone magnifies RGIII deficiencies, where there are smaller windows and decisions must be made quicker.

When you look at the chances of sack vs TD amongst the three you see that:
* McCoy was 4.3 times more likely to be sacked than throw a TD
* Griffin was 8.2 times more likely to be sacked than throw a TD
* Cousins was 1.25 times more likely to THROW A TD than be sacked!

Now look at the Yards-per-Completion ratio... Again, one of our QBs tried to consistently push the ball down field. Its WHY HE HAD THE HIGH INT Ratio! He was the only one of three given the ENTIRE playbook and route trees to throw at... meaning there were many "tougher" throws to complete for him and less "safe" bubble-screens, dump-offs, roll-outs with one to two options...

Yeah, yeah... the INTs... I do realize turnovers are huge. But, to me, moving the offense can't be handcuffed by constant "safe" throws (i.e. what our offense became to pacify Griffin's & McCoy's abilities)... Also... just a couple of years ago, for example, a QB by the name of Matthew Stafford went 2-8 as starter and finished the year, in his firs10 starts, with 10 TDs and 20 INTs (2 per game). Eli throws 15-20 per season STILL (5 in one game this year).... Peyton AVERAGED 20 INTs/season in his first 5 YEARS. I could go on and on... Remember, Cousins has least experience of all three. What sucks about this season is not only are we not sure what we have in Griffin, but we still don't know, for sure, if Cousins can mature and cut down on the picks. He proved better than the other 2 in every other way...

Anyway... It will interesting to see how the off-season goes and who will be starting at QB next year... looks like it's right back to RGIII and Cousins at backup... but when really looking at the numbers... between the three lemons we have, I know which can at least be sour AND sweet.

[FRPLG]

Griffin 1 per 35
McCoy 1 per 42
Cousins 1 per 22


Interceptions

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

He is the best player on the team but without a qb you are better off trading him. If you can get a 1st and a 3rd round pick for him you do it.

In a GD heartbeat. Any team crazy enough to give us that is well...probably just the Raiders.

[skinsfaninok]

Djax isn't going anywhere he's our best player well best skill player that is. Out best overall player is trent williams he dominated dallas yesterday like he does almost every week