Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns

JoeRedskin · 08-14-2015, 05:55 PM

Other good stuff from last night:

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Johnny Manziel was the Browns’ leading rusher with 14 yards. The Redskins gave the tailbacks very little running room as the combined to rush for just 27 yards.

The good, the bad, and the ugly from Redskins vs. Browns | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

KI Skins Fan · 08-14-2015, 05:58 PM

Kai doesn't necessarily need to be replaced as the place kicker because he's poor at kickoffs. Any active player can kickoff. I've seen teams use their punters to do kickoffs. Tres Way has a big leg. Perhaps he'd be willing to give it a try, if asked.

The one thing that the decision-makers shouldn't do is keep doing the same thing and hope for the best. We need better kickoffs. End of story. They need to find a way to get them or the team will surely pay the price for not fixing the problem. If that means Forbath needs to replaced as the placekicker because they can't find anyone on the team who can kickoff through the end zone, than so be it.

JoeRedskin · 08-14-2015, 06:01 PM

Nice article with snap counts for every player last night. Martrell Spaight led the defense. The first team offense played 27% of the team's offensive plays.

Snap Judgments: Redskins @ Browns Snap Counts - Hogs Haven

DYoungJelly · 08-14-2015, 06:17 PM

Plus:

Scherff is going to be good. When he is able to lock onto someone he wins. His hands were too slow some.

Moses looks serviceable.

Alfmo. Jones.

Niles Paul was owning 99 until injured.

Hatcher looked liked the most explosive pass rusher at times. Baker too. Murphy has unbelievable reaction time to the snap. He also looked a lot stronger. Smith is long and strong.

I consider it a plus that our first team consisted of 3 back up LBs. Murphy, Smith, and Houston Bates.

Minus:

Special teams sucked. Our kickoffs are terrible. Fumble, etc., etc.

Too many missed tackles.

We didn't have an explosive pass rush with the exception of flashes from Hatcher. Murphy and Smith don't have that initial move to beat anybody. (Murphy did thread two defender's on the scramble pass. More attributable to his reaction to the snap than an explosive move.) They apply strong steady pressure but are not the explosive rushers that panic QBs. Should improve drastically with starters.

DHall looked a little rusty.

Our back up TEs (Hamm and Dixon) looked weak blocking.

skinsfan69 · 08-14-2015, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Maybe he needs to see a quarterback psychiatrist. I cannot remember a guy looking so good one minute, then having a complete melt down and then looking the the worst QB to ever wear an NFL uniform.

KC had a couple of real bad quarters of football. Expected from a player with limited starts. Peyton threw 28 picks his first year. Drew Brees has had some big int years. Romo and Luck same deal. The difference is those organizations let their qb's play through their mistakes. KC wasn't given that opportunity and may never get that here. Not with Snyder insisting that Griffin be handed the job after two years of sub par play. Had Shanahan been given more time here, KC would have at least had a chance to compete for the job.

44Deezel · 08-14-2015, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

KC had a couple of real bad quarters of football. Expected from a player with limited starts. Peyton threw 28 picks his first year. Drew Brees has had some big int years. Romo and Luck same deal. The difference is those organizations let their qb's play through their mistakes. KC wasn't given that opportunity and may never get that here. Not with Snyder insisting that Griffin be handed the job after two years of sub par play. Had Shanahan been given more time here, KC would have at least had a chance to compete for the job.

And he still had more TDs than INTs. 10 to 9.

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 08-14-2015, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Plus: Kirk Cousins is still really good.

In preseason. To bad he doesn't win much when it counts. Plus he always looks pretty good in quarters one, two and half of the third.

SolidSnake84 · 08-14-2015, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

KC had a couple of real bad quarters of football. Expected from a player with limited starts. Peyton threw 28 picks his first year. Drew Brees has had some big int years. Romo and Luck same deal. The difference is those organizations let their qb's play through their mistakes. KC wasn't given that opportunity and may never get that here. Not with Snyder insisting that Griffin be handed the job after two years of sub par play. Had Shanahan been given more time here, KC would have at least had a chance to compete for the job.

This is a smart post right here. I agree completely. Dan Snyder has decided that RG3 is the starter no matter what, just like always. Kirk Cousins for being in the league 4 years has had very little actual playing time.

I still believe he should be the starter.....

DYoungJelly · 08-14-2015, 09:48 PM

Went back and watched it again on DVR.

On the Skins' first play from scrimmage, Trent Williams literally was blocking 54, OLB with ONE HAND, while looking back at the run.

Trent Williams is a plus. At times he makes it look so easy.

That Guy · 08-14-2015, 11:10 PM

it's preseason, we weren't running a real offense (they weren't running a real defense either), guys generally don't play as hard in the preseason, and it's the browns.

It wasn't a train wreck, so that's nice, but it didn't look like a 10 win team either. our Qbs and WRs are deep, so are #2/#3 SHOULD look good against scrubs.

preston smith looked decent, hall looked bad, our D in general wasn't awful (but again... the browns).

i never felt less interested watching a skins game, hopefully a win in a real game fixes that.

That Guy · 08-14-2015, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Kai doesn't necessarily need to be replaced as the place kicker because he's poor at kickoffs. Any active player can kickoff. I've seen teams use their punters to do kickoffs. Tres Way has a big leg. Perhaps he'd be willing to give it a try, if asked.

The one thing that the decision-makers shouldn't do is keep doing the same thing and hope for the best. We need better kickoffs. End of story. They need to find a way to get them or the team will surely pay the price for not fixing the problem. If that means Forbath needs to replaced as the placekicker because they can't find anyone on the team who can kickoff through the end zone, than so be it.

people have tried it, at least one team (jags?) went with 1 guy as the kicker/punter for a bit (preseason and a couple games i think), but they gave up because his leg got worn out kicking that much and his accuracy and distance suffered.

he could try it, but, i mean, if it were that easy, i'm pretty sure we'd be doing it already.

MTK · 08-15-2015, 08:37 AM

Good breakdown on RG3's performance, sorry if already posted

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nst-cleveland/

MTK · 08-15-2015, 08:42 AM

Sucks for Paul, big loss for us

Fullback Darrel Young on Niles Paul: 'he started crying and I lost it' - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

Hog1 · 08-15-2015, 08:49 AM

HATE.........it!

FRPLG · 08-15-2015, 08:50 AM

Paul is a good dude and would have been a valuable piece this year. I feel awful for the guy. From a football perspective let's be honest, we didn't lose Tony Gonzalez. We did lose our only decent and durable all-around TE. Wondering what the plan is from here. We almost certainly can't go into the season with Reed and a bunch of TC bodies.

08-14-2015, 05:58 PM	#47
KI Skins Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Forida Posts: 6,412	Re: Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns Kai doesn't necessarily need to be replaced as the place kicker because he's poor at kickoffs. Any active player can kickoff. I've seen teams use their punters to do kickoffs. Tres Way has a big leg. Perhaps he'd be willing to give it a try, if asked. The one thing that the decision-makers shouldn't do is keep doing the same thing and hope for the best. We need better kickoffs. End of story. They need to find a way to get them or the team will surely pay the price for not fixing the problem. If that means Forbath needs to replaced as the placekicker because they can't find anyone on the team who can kickoff through the end zone, than so be it. __________________ I'm a big Caitlin Clark fan!

08-14-2015, 06:01 PM	#48
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 63 Posts: 10,401	Re: Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns Nice article with snap counts for every player last night. Martrell Spaight led the defense. The first team offense played 27% of the team's offensive plays. Snap Judgments: Redskins @ Browns Snap Counts - Hogs Haven __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

08-14-2015, 06:17 PM	#49
DYoungJelly The Starter Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,300	Re: Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns Plus: Scherff is going to be good. When he is able to lock onto someone he wins. His hands were too slow some. Moses looks serviceable. Alfmo. Jones. Niles Paul was owning 99 until injured. Hatcher looked liked the most explosive pass rusher at times. Baker too. Murphy has unbelievable reaction time to the snap. He also looked a lot stronger. Smith is long and strong. I consider it a plus that our first team consisted of 3 back up LBs. Murphy, Smith, and Houston Bates. Minus: Special teams sucked. Our kickoffs are terrible. Fumble, etc., etc. Too many missed tackles. We didn't have an explosive pass rush with the exception of flashes from Hatcher. Murphy and Smith don't have that initial move to beat anybody. (Murphy did thread two defender's on the scramble pass. More attributable to his reaction to the snap than an explosive move.) They apply strong steady pressure but are not the explosive rushers that panic QBs. Should improve drastically with starters. DHall looked a little rusty. Our back up TEs (Hamm and Dixon) looked weak blocking. Last edited by DYoungJelly; 08-14-2015 at 11:20 PM.

08-14-2015, 09:48 PM	#54
DYoungJelly The Starter Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,300	Re: Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns Went back and watched it again on DVR. On the Skins' first play from scrimmage, Trent Williams literally was blocking 54, OLB with ONE HAND, while looking back at the run. Trent Williams is a plus. At times he makes it look so easy.

08-14-2015, 11:10 PM	#55
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns it's preseason, we weren't running a real offense (they weren't running a real defense either), guys generally don't play as hard in the preseason, and it's the browns. It wasn't a train wreck, so that's nice, but it didn't look like a 10 win team either. our Qbs and WRs are deep, so are #2/#3 SHOULD look good against scrubs. preston smith looked decent, hall looked bad, our D in general wasn't awful (but again... the browns). i never felt less interested watching a skins game, hopefully a win in a real game fixes that.

08-15-2015, 08:37 AM	#57
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,049	Re: Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns Good breakdown on RG3's performance, sorry if already posted https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nst-cleveland/ __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-15-2015, 08:42 AM	#58
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,049	Re: Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns Sucks for Paul, big loss for us Fullback Darrel Young on Niles Paul: 'he started crying and I lost it' - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-15-2015, 08:49 AM	#59
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns HATE.........it! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

08-15-2015, 08:50 AM	#60
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: Plusses and Minuses vs. Browns Paul is a good dude and would have been a valuable piece this year. I feel awful for the guy. From a football perspective let's be honest, we didn't lose Tony Gonzalez. We did lose our only decent and durable all-around TE. Wondering what the plan is from here. We almost certainly can't go into the season with Reed and a bunch of TC bodies.

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