Brunell

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

We're 3-0 with Brunell, and thats all that should matter.

We're 3-0 with the playcalling and thats all that should matter.

We're 3-0 after beating Chicago, Dallas, and Seattle, and thats all that should matter.

WE ARE 3-0!!!!! It has been 14 YEARS since we were 3-0!!! Lets enjoy this while it lasts....

'nuff said!

[SARPUP]

I dont think Bailey is healthy enough to play and if he does play, Moss will run circle around him if he isnt 110%.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Are you saying he hasen't been motivated up till now?

I don't care how motivated he is, it's irrelevent if we don't force defenders from stacking the box.

I am curious you don't believe the entire denver team will more motivated to stop Portis being he left them because he felt he was the reason they were so good at running the ball?

You don't think Bailey will be motivated to shut down our passing game, although I don't know how motivated you have to be to do that?

Remember the air is awfully thin at mile high!

That's ............ah............alot of conclusions/questions from a rather innocent remark. To address, 1) I do believe he has shown motivation to this point. I also believe any performance can be eclipsed given the proper environment 2) Irrelevant is pretty strong talk. Our passing game is taking shape and proving to be effective. It will greatly aid in said prevention, and asundry box stacking. 3) Are you asking me if I believe the entire Denver roster will be lining up opposite Portis, with coaching staff? No I don't believe that will happen. If it does, Poor, poor Clinton. 4) Bailey, ain't no Darryl Green! Finally, the air is getting pretty thin here as well!

[That Guy]

we played well, but we need audibles, BAD. they new we'd run every first down, we watched them stack 8-9 on the line, not even TRYING to disguise it, and then we'd run headfirst into them anyways. That's just beyond retarded.

luckily brunell had 3rd down conversion after conversion... our team faltered a bit in the 2nd half, but we pulled it out, which i what counts.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by That Guy

we played well, but we need audibles, BAD. they new we'd run every first down, we watched them stack 8-9 on the line, not even TRYING to disguise it, and then we'd run headfirst into them anyways. That's just beyond retarded.

luckily brunell had 3rd down conversion after conversion... our team faltered a bit in the 2nd half, but we pulled it out, which i what counts.

Think about it though, let's say we do audible out of a run, and pass it every single time someone lines up 8 in the box. Remember - lining up 8 or 9 in the box doesn't necessarily mean they're ONLY keying in on the running back. We rush the pass and throw either an incompletion or worse - an INT. But, what is bad about passing it is that you throw an incompletion and the clock stops...you're giving a highly potent offense (and apparently the Seahawks were since they were #2 in the NFL,) plenty of time to get back on the field and run the score up. Plus, you still haven't gained anything on first down.

Even though it looks like some of those runs up the middle are "give up" plays or plays most of us feel aren't going to gain loads of yards, those plays are keeping the clock rolling, and with an improved passing attack, apparently it's not such a big thing for us to get into a 3 and long situation. It's just a characteristic of a ball controlled offense. It eventually wears down the interior of the defense. It's allowing OUR defense more time to rest. Which apparently is better for us than to force them to play more minutes.

I do agree that it would be nice to see more audibles with a toss sweep....something to keep the offense on the field for more minutes, but I believe the playcalling we had Sunday plays to our strengths. It keeps a very good offense off the field and allows our defense a chance to rest. Even if we don't score on that drive, we're not allowing the other team as much time to score....we're keeping the score low which is going to be the key in beating teams with very very good offenses...i.e. Philly and NYGiants!

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Think about it though, let's say we do audible out of a run, and pass it every single time someone lines up 8 in the box. Remember - lining up 8 or 9 in the box doesn't necessarily mean they're ONLY keying in on the running back. We rush the pass and throw either an incompletion or worse - an INT. But, what is bad about passing it is that you throw an incompletion and the clock stops...you're giving a highly potent offense (and apparently the Seahawks were since they were #2 in the NFL,) plenty of time to get back on the field and run the score up. Plus, you still haven't gained anything on first down.

Even though it looks like some of those runs up the middle are "give up" plays or plays most of us feel aren't going to gain loads of yards, those plays are keeping the clock rolling, and with an improved passing attack, apparently it's not such a big thing for us to get into a 3 and long situation. It's just a characteristic of a ball controlled offense. It eventually wears down the interior of the defense. It's allowing OUR defense more time to rest. Which apparently is better for us than to force them to play more minutes.

excellent post

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Think about it though, let's say we do audible out of a run, and pass it every single time someone lines up 8 in the box. Remember - lining up 8 or 9 in the box doesn't necessarily mean they're ONLY keying in on the running back. We rush the pass and throw either an incompletion or worse - an INT. But, what is bad about passing it is that you throw an incompletion and the clock stops...you're giving a highly potent offense (and apparently the Seahawks were since they were #2 in the NFL,) plenty of time to get back on the field and run the score up. Plus, you still haven't gained anything on first down.

Even though it looks like some of those runs up the middle are "give up" plays or plays most of us feel aren't going to gain loads of yards, those plays are keeping the clock rolling, and with an improved passing attack, apparently it's not such a big thing for us to get into a 3 and long situation. It's just a characteristic of a ball controlled offense. It eventually wears down the interior of the defense. It's allowing OUR defense more time to rest. Which apparently is better for us than to force them to play more minutes.

I do agree that it would be nice to see more audibles with a toss sweep....something to keep the offense on the field for more minutes, but I believe the playcalling we had Sunday plays to our strengths. It keeps a very good offense off the field and allows our defense a chance to rest. Even if we don't score on that drive, we're not allowing the other team as much time to score....we're keeping the score low which is going to be the key in beating teams with very very good offenses...i.e. Philly and NYGiants!

why not toss it to portis on the outside then? just cause they load 9 guys up in front of the oline doesn't mean you've got to throw it deep every time... they could audible to a sweep or outside run and keep the clock ticking while avoiding the pitfalls of running straight into 200 guys that aren't going to be moving.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by That Guy

why not toss it to portis on the outside then? just cause they load 9 guys up in front of the oline doesn't mean you've got to throw it deep every time... they could audible to a sweep or outside run and keep the clock ticking while avoiding the pitfalls of running straight into 200 guys that aren't going to be moving.

Isn't that what I just said?

Originally Posted by Skinsguy

I do agree that it would be nice to see more audibles with a toss sweep....something to keep the offense on the field for more minutes,

However, I'm not only thinking in terms of a deep pass....receivers can drop short passes that are rushed just as easily. Either way, there is a potiential of gaining no yards AND stopping the clock. The only thing with the toss sweep is that if the defense starts sniffing it out, because we're going to audible to it quite often, then blowing up a toss sweep can have the potiential of even more loss of yards than running it up the middle. Most of the time, at worst, a run up the middle might lose you a yard, but a toss sweep has the chance to lose big yards.

And, thinking about it more, an NFL defense loading 8 or 9 guys up in the box, do we really think they're not fast enough to stretch the defense out?

What alot of us failed to mention was that Gibbs' gameplan for that second half was to open the offense up more and take some shots, but we couldn't bury the Seahawks' offense enough to take those chances. I personally like the steady pace of our offense mixing it up and eating time off the clock...it takes alot of pressure off our defense and gives our offense more confidence.

[EternalEnigma21]

Anyway, I came to this thread (reading some of it along the way) to say this. I am happy that Brunell is playing well and I do definately acknowledge it. I'm very glad that he is because it not only answers questions about Brunell, but it also shuts up alot of the media that said the game has passed Gibbs by, and he was crazy. I was questioning the switch, and I am a Ramsey fan, but we're winning and Brunell is looking good. If I knew more than Gibbs I'd be coaching.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Hog1

That's ............ah............alot of conclusions/questions from a rather innocent remark.

oh i know that feeling

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

That's ............ah............alot of conclusions/questions from a rather innocent remark. To address, 1) I do believe he has shown motivation to this point. I also believe any performance can be eclipsed given the proper environment 2) Irrelevant is pretty strong talk. Our passing game is taking shape and proving to be effective. It will greatly aid in said prevention, and asundry box stacking. 3) Are you asking me if I believe the entire Denver roster will be lining up opposite Portis, with coaching staff? No I don't believe that will happen. If it does, Poor, poor Clinton. 4) Bailey, ain't no Darryl Green! Finally, the air is getting pretty thin here as well!

Just addressing your so called conclusions predicated on nothing more than unrealistic thought, that's all.

Our passing game is taking shape? We had a nice game, NICE, Ray Rhodes is the defensive coordinator for Seattle I wouldn't get to worked up about it.

Denver is the real test.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Just addressing your so called conclusions predicated on nothing more than unrealistic thought, that's all.

Our passing game is taking shape? We had a nice game, NICE, Ray Rhodes is the defensive coordinator for Seattle I wouldn't get to worked up about it.

Denver is the real test.

Dear Off, Don't you think the passing game is taking shape?
Do you think Ray Rhodes is unconcerned with two last minute wins with nothing less than superhuman efforts on many peoples parts? Do you think Ray Rhodes imagines a team riding high on emotion, and confidence, just finding it's game (and 3-0) with numerous weapons the skins possess is not reason for concern? If you believe that does not get him "worked up", I don't think you know Ray Rhodes!
If I told you to "have a nice day", would I be pre-supposing events, yet undetermined, and existing solely in a future timeframe to be played out at a time and place not within my realm of control or speculation? Perhaps you have attached a ridiculous level of scrutiny to a rather innocuous statment?

However, I would agree, Denver is a real test

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss
Are you saying he hasen't been motivated up till now?

I don't care how motivated he is, it's irrelevent if we don't force defenders from stacking the box.

I am curious you don't believe the entire denver team will more motivated to stop Portis being he left them because he felt he was the reason they were so good at running the ball?

You don't think Bailey will be motivated to shut down our passing game, although I don't know how motivated you have to be to do that?

Remember the air is awfully thin at mile high!




http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...130396,00.html


"Right now, I want to be in the end zone more than anybody," said Portis, who hasn't scored since Dec. 12 and watched Sunday as even a reserve H-back got a touchdown for the Washington Redskins. "But if it's not happening, I can't force myself."

With the Redskins taking a 3-0 record into their game Sunday against his former team (2:15 p.m., Invesco Field at Mile High, KDVR- Channel 31), Portis isn't complaining.

"Whatever it takes, that's our team's message now, whatever it takes," Portis said.

Consider his performance eclipsed

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Dear Off, Don't you think the passing game is taking shape?
Do you think Ray Rhodes is unconcerned with two last minute wins with nothing less than superhuman efforts on many peoples parts? Do you think Ray Rhodes imagines a team riding high on emotion, and confidence, just finding it's game (and 3-0) with numerous weapons the skins possess is not reason for concern? If you believe that does not get him "worked up", I don't think you know Ray Rhodes!
If I told you to "have a nice day", would I be pre-supposing events, yet undetermined, and existing solely in a future timeframe to be played out at a time and place not within my realm of control or speculation? Perhaps you have attached a ridiculous level of scrutiny to a rather innocuous statment?

However, I would agree, Denver is a real test

What does that have to do with the price of eggs in china?

What does Ray Rhodes getting worked up have anything to do with his ignorance as a coach?

I would imagine he would be very worked up, if I had no clue how to diagnois and stop offenses I would be worked up to, that doesn't mean he will be any better, our fire power is like a nucleur missle without a lauch sequence, it looks pretty powerful if you could get it off the ground.

My biggest point about this is that we have been fortunate to play teams who are less talented than us, and in seattle's case not as well coached. With denver we are in agreement, we have to go into an opposing teams stadium, against a good team, it's great we are 3-0 but be carefull of falling in love with that because we haven't faced real playoff caliber teams, which Denver is one of. If we beat Denver then we will have something to really hang our hats on, I just don't think we will, I believe they will bottle up our offense this week, and denver will do just enough on offense to beat us, but I hope I am wrong.

[offiss]

hog1- Are you saying he hasen't been motivated up till now?

No, that was my question for you, you stated that Portis should be motivated to play his old team, insinuating that with extra motivation he will be a real force to deal with. And my reply was if anyone should be motivated it should be Denver, Portis is the one who initiated the contract problems with Denver, not the other way around. Portis shouldn't need his old team to be motivated to run, I stated whether he is motivated or not is irrelevant, because so long as there's 7,8,9, men in the box he's going no where, regardless of his motivation, so to answer your question yes I think he's motivated, but no as far as extra motivation regarding Denver, he will run as well as the blocking will allow.