Another "Arrington Gone" article

uhohjimoh · 10-06-2005, 11:42 AM

Who knows about this whole lavar thing? I dont..nobody does its all specualtion..if he isnt doing anything in a few more weeks..then lets pretty much write him off

MTK · 10-06-2005, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Williams is not going anywhere. Again, we all believe he is here to take over for Gibbs when he leaves. I do not believe Gibbs is here for all 5 years. If we do well this year, make the playoffs, and again next year a little deeper, Gibbs would have successfully done his job. Which is get the Redskins back on the map as a contender and then Williams will take over. Bad thing about that is, he will take over the same mess he took over in Buffalo, CAP PROBLEMS. In two years we will be in such a cap mess, we will not have any players we do now. Then we will see how its his scheme and not the players that are on the field. Dont forget in buffalo he had alot of talent of the Defensive side of the ball when he was there and was like top 5. anyway, Joe stays around two years tops, if the team is going in the right direction.

All the more reason to cut LaVar loose sooner rather than later and free up a ton of cap room.

#56fanatic · 10-06-2005, 11:58 AM

If you cut LaVar, that is causing more cap trouble. they are going to have to take the roster bonus due in July and make it guaranteed money, spread it over the contract and deal with it. if you cut him, yeah you save that 6.5 mil, but you are hit with something like 12 or 13 mil next year. and with the CBA in doubt, and if its not extended then the money cant carry over to the following year, it is all on the last year before the CBA is expired. You dont want to cut the guy, not just for financial reasons, but he is a player, leader, and great team mate. plus, I have a #56 jersey, I dont want to have to buy another one. maybe I can just put somebody elses name on it!

Hog1 · 10-06-2005, 12:00 PM

Listening to a sports show out of Miami, hosted by O.J. Mcduffie, and others. According to THEM Arrington's knee is not 100%. I don't know their source, but whatever.

5RINGS · 10-06-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Yes, he did not like playing DE and thought he would be more productive in the upright position. Lewis won that argument when Lavar had 11 sacks.

He didn't play every snap as a DE that year.

offiss · 10-06-2005, 12:11 PM

I think Joepa created a monster in college in Lavar, by letting him free lance and make spectacular plays in college, Lavar has that stuck in his brain and thinks that will translate on this level as well and doesn't want to hear otherwise.

He had problem's with Lewis and now Williams, both who know a little about defense.

#56fanatic · 10-06-2005, 12:16 PM

When he was drafter by the Redskins, thats what they wanted him to do. Thats why they called him the next LT. they gave him #56. He was trying to be something they wanted him to be. Now and when Marvin was here, they try to get him to be more disciplined and I think he is learning, but when you have been able to do things like he was asked to do, do basically line up and go get the QB or just go after the ball its hard to say, fill that gap, if they dont run there, your team-mate will be there to cover the other gap. I agree that he does or did gamble a little too much year before last, but seriously, the D was in the bottom of the league and he was trying to make plays when nobody else was capable.

skindogger47 · 10-06-2005, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

When he was drafter by the Redskins, thats what they wanted him to do. Thats why they called him the next LT. they gave him #56. He was trying to be something they wanted him to be. Now and when Marvin was here, they try to get him to be more disciplined and I think he is learning, but when you have been able to do things like he was asked to do, do basically line up and go get the QB or just go after the ball its hard to say, fill that gap, if they dont run there, your team-mate will be there to cover the other gap. I agree that he does or did gamble a little too much year before last, but seriously, the D was in the bottom of the league and he was trying to make plays when nobody else was capable.

Good point and I think that is why we will see more and more of him as the season progresses. Once he starts playing w/in the system in practice for a couple of weeks, it will be hard for Williams to keep him out of the lineup.

MTK · 10-06-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

If you cut LaVar, that is causing more cap trouble. they are going to have to take the roster bonus due in July and make it guaranteed money, spread it over the contract and deal with it. if you cut him, yeah you save that 6.5 mil, but you are hit with something like 12 or 13 mil next year. and with the CBA in doubt, and if its not extended then the money cant carry over to the following year, it is all on the last year before the CBA is expired. You dont want to cut the guy, not just for financial reasons, but he is a player, leader, and great team mate. plus, I have a #56 jersey, I dont want to have to buy another one. maybe I can just put somebody elses name on it!

Per the Post:

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Cutting Arrington in March would require a $12.14 million hit, but he would be off Washington's books after 2006; the team has incurred steep penalties in the past to make such moves. (Arrington's contract carries a $6.5 million cap figure in 2007 and $9.133 million in 2008, for example, but that would disappear if he were released or traded in March.)

As you can see he'd be off the books after 2006 clearing up a lot of space for 2007 and 2008.

Cutting guys for financial reasons happens all the time.

drew54 · 10-06-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

5 reasons Williams will stay. 1-He's happy as an assistant coach and working with Gibbs. 2-Danny is paying him enough or can afford to pay him enough to stay. 3-The team he would inherit will be one that he has had a say in players and they will know the systems making the transition easy. 4-We will be a playoff team and SB contenders when Gibbs retires. 5-He just went through hell as a head coach and will wait for the right moment (when Gibbs retires).

#6. Isnt his daughter a sophomore in highschool and he said something along the lines of I want to stay here until she graduates so she can have a normal four years.

That should buy us two more years with the GDub.

#56fanatic · 10-06-2005, 12:35 PM

thanks for the info. But do you really think we can take a 12 million dollar hit, we are only 1. something under right now.

CrazyCanuck · 10-06-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

thanks for the info. But do you really think we can take a 12 million dollar hit, we are only 1. something under right now.

We can't take the hit in 2005 but maybe after the season. Lavar will be a $12M cap hit next year, while cutting him would result in a slightly higher $12M+ deadcap hit, and for now we can't use the June 1st cut trick to spread the deadcap hit over 2 years. Either way it looks like we'll take a $12M cap hit for LA in 2006.

If he stays we take a $12M hit, but still have a solid player off the bench. If we cut him we take a $12M deadcap hit, but at least he's off the books beyond that. Great upside either way.

And I really thought that Coles' $9M deadcap hit would remain a team record for a long time. I guess one year is pretty long.

Schneed10 · 10-06-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

thanks for the info. But do you really think we can take a 12 million dollar hit, we are only 1. something under right now.

He's going to count $12 million against our cap whether we cut him or keep him. The roster bonus due in 2006 will boost his cap figure to around $12 million. You could always renegotiate that into a signing bonus and spread it around to future years, but I don't know why you'd do that if he's not going to get playing time. And remember, if GW leaves then Greg Blache will step right in as def coordinator. And who did Greg Blache have as his LB coach and outside LB in Chicago? Dale Lindsey as LB coach and Warrick Holdman at OLB. Sound familiar? I don't think Blache would miss Arrington if GW left.

Better to get the cap room for future years and axe Arrington now. He's WAY overrated.

EDIT: When I say axe him now, I mean in 2006. Of course trading him would be better, if possible.

PSUskinsfan11 · 10-06-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 5RINGS

He didn't play every snap as a DE that year.

Actually he did, Marvin Lewis wanted him to play with a hand down on some 3rd downs and LaVar did not like it. However, he did play in the system the way Lewis asked of him and he had 11 sacks and a pro bowl year. Which leads me to believe if Williams wants him to play a certain,way LaVar would do it weither or not he was a fan of the system.

Longtimefan · 10-06-2005, 06:17 PM

I only hope we have learned a lesson about signing players to these type contracts'. We've had two examples in the last three years of how they don't in the long run pan out very well.

I said when we signed Stephen Davis to the contract we signed him to, he would never see the money, or play out the terms of the deal. I also said the same thing about LaVar, and while much of the problem surrounding his plight at this time centers around discipline and attitude, there is also concerns relative to his cap figure's in 2006. It is not likely the team is going to want to pay him a 6.mil. roster bonus, and a 12.14 mil. cap hit for next year is more than a considerable amount for one player to consume against the cap, and espically for a player who does not start, has injury, as well as other problems with the organization. While he may be considered a fan favorite(at least based on all the many post I've read) unfortunately this is not a popularity contest, this is about money and production. There is no way any team can afford that kind of money for such limited production. In todays age of the salry cap it's very difficult to pay a player based on past performances. It's all about "What have you done for me lately?" The production just does not match the salry. Some say LaVar is the best defensive player we have, if that's true, and considering his salry, why is he not on the field? There's not a LB or any other position player, offence or defense on any team in the NFL consuming that much cap, and not playing.

I just hope we've learned a valueable lesson with signing players to these type long term deals. With JG back at the helm I think we will see a trend towards different types of signings. We should be very careful with long term deals that are so cap-consuming, and espically to players that were initial holdouts.

10-06-2005, 11:42 AM	#16
uhohjimoh Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 41	Re: Another "Arrington Gone" article Who knows about this whole lavar thing? I dont..nobody does its all specualtion..if he isnt doing anything in a few more weeks..then lets pretty much write him off

10-06-2005, 11:58 AM	#18
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Another "Arrington Gone" article If you cut LaVar, that is causing more cap trouble. they are going to have to take the roster bonus due in July and make it guaranteed money, spread it over the contract and deal with it. if you cut him, yeah you save that 6.5 mil, but you are hit with something like 12 or 13 mil next year. and with the CBA in doubt, and if its not extended then the money cant carry over to the following year, it is all on the last year before the CBA is expired. You dont want to cut the guy, not just for financial reasons, but he is a player, leader, and great team mate. plus, I have a #56 jersey, I dont want to have to buy another one. maybe I can just put somebody elses name on it!

10-06-2005, 12:00 PM	#19
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Another "Arrington Gone" article Listening to a sports show out of Miami, hosted by O.J. Mcduffie, and others. According to THEM Arrington's knee is not 100%. I don't know their source, but whatever. __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-06-2005, 12:11 PM	#21
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 62 Posts: 3,097	Re: Another "Arrington Gone" article I think Joepa created a monster in college in Lavar, by letting him free lance and make spectacular plays in college, Lavar has that stuck in his brain and thinks that will translate on this level as well and doesn't want to hear otherwise. He had problem's with Lewis and now Williams, both who know a little about defense.

10-06-2005, 12:16 PM	#22
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Another "Arrington Gone" article When he was drafter by the Redskins, thats what they wanted him to do. Thats why they called him the next LT. they gave him #56. He was trying to be something they wanted him to be. Now and when Marvin was here, they try to get him to be more disciplined and I think he is learning, but when you have been able to do things like he was asked to do, do basically line up and go get the QB or just go after the ball its hard to say, fill that gap, if they dont run there, your team-mate will be there to cover the other gap. I agree that he does or did gamble a little too much year before last, but seriously, the D was in the bottom of the league and he was trying to make plays when nobody else was capable.

10-06-2005, 12:35 PM	#26
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Another "Arrington Gone" article thanks for the info. But do you really think we can take a 12 million dollar hit, we are only 1. something under right now.

10-06-2005, 06:17 PM	#30
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Another "Arrington Gone" article I only hope we have learned a lesson about signing players to these type contracts'. We've had two examples in the last three years of how they don't in the long run pan out very well. I said when we signed Stephen Davis to the contract we signed him to, he would never see the money, or play out the terms of the deal. I also said the same thing about LaVar, and while much of the problem surrounding his plight at this time centers around discipline and attitude, there is also concerns relative to his cap figure's in 2006. It is not likely the team is going to want to pay him a 6.mil. roster bonus, and a 12.14 mil. cap hit for next year is more than a considerable amount for one player to consume against the cap, and espically for a player who does not start, has injury, as well as other problems with the organization. While he may be considered a fan favorite(at least based on all the many post I've read) unfortunately this is not a popularity contest, this is about money and production. There is no way any team can afford that kind of money for such limited production. In todays age of the salry cap it's very difficult to pay a player based on past performances. It's all about "What have you done for me lately?" The production just does not match the salry. Some say LaVar is the best defensive player we have, if that's true, and considering his salry, why is he not on the field? There's not a LB or any other position player, offence or defense on any team in the NFL consuming that much cap, and not playing. I just hope we've learned a valueable lesson with signing players to these type long term deals. With JG back at the helm I think we will see a trend towards different types of signings. We should be very careful with long term deals that are so cap-consuming, and espically to players that were initial holdouts.

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