Is Carlos Rogers overrated?

12thMan · 11-14-2005, 04:25 PM

Also, take into consideration that Rogers is still hampered by an ankle injury, which he's tweaked on and off since training camp. I don't think this kid is 100%, not that anyone is at this point in the season.

Hopefully with him he needs to get more reps in, and yes, at this point I don't think him starting would hurt us any more than what we've been getting.

FirstandTen · 11-14-2005, 04:34 PM

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I didn't know that Rogers was 'rated' to be overrated. I put a whole lot more on Walt Harris' shoulders than Rogers. Harris got beat for 2 TD, I only saw Rogers get beat for one deep ball..

Being drafted in the top 10 makes him "rated".

So is he suppose to be an Pro bowler? I rate him as a rookie playing a tuff positon to jump right into. Like a QB its hard to expect even at top 10 dafted CB to be impact player his rookie year. Time will tell..

saden1 · 11-14-2005, 04:39 PM

It's way too early to judge Rogers cause he is till a rookie. Come next season, well, that's a different story.

paulskinsfan · 11-14-2005, 05:19 PM

I guess the real question is this: Is Carlos unable to break into the starting lineup b/c of inconsistent play/talent level, OR is it because Williams doesn't want to put a rookie out there? I was gonna say its b/c he's a rookie, but Sean Taylor started after about 4 weeks. So that makes me think the kid is just not that good, but I really hope Im wrong.

Southpaw · 11-14-2005, 05:22 PM

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So is he suppose to be an Pro bowler? I rate him as a rookie playing a tuff positon to jump right into. Like a QB its hard to expect even at top 10 dafted CB to be impact player his rookie year. Time will tell..

I personally don't expect anything more of him than you do. I agree, he is a rookie and is going to make mistakes. The problem is, being drafted in the top ten brings along certain expectations from the media and the general public. And if he continues to play like he has thus far, this time next year 90% of the people on this site will be screaming that he is overpaid and overrated. Although his grace period might be a little longer since it was Gibbs that drafted him.

PSUskinsfan11 · 11-14-2005, 05:37 PM

Let's all remember that even though Rogers isn't starting it doesn't mean he isn't progressing. Sean Taylor could have started right away last year with his ability and he still didn't make his first start till the 5th? week vs. the Bears.

jamf · 11-14-2005, 06:25 PM

the thing that bothers me is that he is a 25 year old rookie. he had a great year last year in college, but how much of that is due to him being more mature/diciplined than the other guys around him?

you dont need to learn very much to play corner. alot of it is based on instincts. champ was a 20 year old rookie and played well. guys like dre bly, smoot, antoine winfield, nate clements all stepped in early and struggled at time, but they showed flashes of a bright future.

the onlything rogers has showed is a 20 yard cushion...

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-14-2005, 06:29 PM

Think that is due to him or Williams?

Big C · 11-14-2005, 06:46 PM

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the thing that bothers me is that he is a 25 year old rookie.

24, turned 24 in july

D'BOYZ · 11-14-2005, 08:31 PM

I agree that right now it's to early to determine if this pick is a bust or overated, it's to early to call you need at least 3 years to truly see if a player has develop in to it's potential.

Now during the draft I made a lot comment of how Pac Man and Rogers where being pushed as top players just pecause they where CB and the new need and price value of quality CB I think that bout went higher that they should.

The only thing that worries me is that it's mid season and you have a top 10 pic on the bench the only way he will get better it's by playing look at us Newman and Williams where top 10 pics and they started since day 1 Newman had a good first year and a average second now he's having his best year because we now have quality secondary players to help him last year he was alone.

What I'm saying is that he should be starting right now and for him to not start it tells me that gibbs doesn't have confidence in him look at us we have 6 rookies playing 3 starting (Ware 11, Spears 20th and pettiti 6th round), they made some mistakes at the beginning but right now they are becomming a force in their position respectibly.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-14-2005, 08:33 PM

Look at D'Angelo Hall. He played like SHIT his first season now look at him...

D'BOYZ · 11-14-2005, 08:41 PM

WOW D'Angelo didn't play like shit his first year he played bad the first few games like all rookies do and showed flashes off a good player at the end of the season he was playing good and didn't got beat that much there wherehigh hopes on him this year and so far he has showed it.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-14-2005, 08:48 PM

2004 Atlanta Falcons 10 35 28.0 7 0.5 2 50 25.0 48 1 4

Not exactly stellar... I'm not saying he hasn't improved, but he definitely was getting some dirty looks his first year.

D'BOYZ · 11-14-2005, 08:54 PM

You have to see the stats not so lineal if a player is making 8 int in a season you could say he had a great season but if he was trown to his side more that the other corner or got beat for more completions and deep passes you could say that the other CB had the better season and the other team didn't respect him that much yes he took 8 home but maybe gave 20.

Champ didn't had amazing stats each year but other QB respected him and tried to avoid him as much as they could. Deion also didn't had amazing stats becasue No-One trew his way.

D'Angelo Was getting challenge and beat at the begginig of the season like all rookies but at the end Qb was starting to avoid his side and didn't challenge him that much he still gave some away but as I said and he was I of the rookies that showed more last year.

Big C · 11-14-2005, 08:54 PM

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What I'm saying is that he should be starting right now and for him to not start it tells me that gibbs doesn't have confidence in him look at us we have 6 rookies playing 3 starting (Ware 11, Spears 20th and pettiti 6th round), they made some mistakes at the beginning but right now they are becomming a force in their position respectibly.

gibbs does nothing on defense, its all greg williams. williams favours vets to rookies, we will see him more as the season goes on

11-14-2005, 04:25 PM	#16
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? Also, take into consideration that Rogers is still hampered by an ankle injury, which he's tweaked on and off since training camp. I don't think this kid is 100%, not that anyone is at this point in the season. Hopefully with him he needs to get more reps in, and yes, at this point I don't think him starting would hurt us any more than what we've been getting.

11-14-2005, 04:39 PM	#18
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? It's way too early to judge Rogers cause he is till a rookie. Come next season, well, that's a different story.

11-14-2005, 05:19 PM	#19
paulskinsfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West VA Posts: 726	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? I guess the real question is this: Is Carlos unable to break into the starting lineup b/c of inconsistent play/talent level, OR is it because Williams doesn't want to put a rookie out there? I was gonna say its b/c he's a rookie, but Sean Taylor started after about 4 weeks. So that makes me think the kid is just not that good, but I really hope Im wrong.

11-14-2005, 05:37 PM	#21
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 40 Posts: 692	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? Let's all remember that even though Rogers isn't starting it doesn't mean he isn't progressing. Sean Taylor could have started right away last year with his ability and he still didn't make his first start till the 5th? week vs. the Bears. __________________ R.I.P. ST 21.....never forgotten

11-14-2005, 06:25 PM	#22
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,319	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? the thing that bothers me is that he is a 25 year old rookie. he had a great year last year in college, but how much of that is due to him being more mature/diciplined than the other guys around him? you dont need to learn very much to play corner. alot of it is based on instincts. champ was a 20 year old rookie and played well. guys like dre bly, smoot, antoine winfield, nate clements all stepped in early and struggled at time, but they showed flashes of a bright future. the onlything rogers has showed is a 20 yard cushion...

11-14-2005, 06:29 PM	#23
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? Think that is due to him or Williams? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-14-2005, 08:31 PM	#25
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,363	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? I agree that right now it's to early to determine if this pick is a bust or overated, it's to early to call you need at least 3 years to truly see if a player has develop in to it's potential. Now during the draft I made a lot comment of how Pac Man and Rogers where being pushed as top players just pecause they where CB and the new need and price value of quality CB I think that bout went higher that they should. The only thing that worries me is that it's mid season and you have a top 10 pic on the bench the only way he will get better it's by playing look at us Newman and Williams where top 10 pics and they started since day 1 Newman had a good first year and a average second now he's having his best year because we now have quality secondary players to help him last year he was alone. What I'm saying is that he should be starting right now and for him to not start it tells me that gibbs doesn't have confidence in him look at us we have 6 rookies playing 3 starting (Ware 11, Spears 20th and pettiti 6th round), they made some mistakes at the beginning but right now they are becomming a force in their position respectibly.

11-14-2005, 08:33 PM	#26
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? Look at D'Angelo Hall. He played like SHIT his first season now look at him... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-14-2005, 08:41 PM	#27
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,363	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? WOW D'Angelo didn't play like shit his first year he played bad the first few games like all rookies do and showed flashes off a good player at the end of the season he was playing good and didn't got beat that much there wherehigh hopes on him this year and so far he has showed it.

11-14-2005, 08:48 PM	#28
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? 2004 Atlanta Falcons 10 35 28.0 7 0.5 2 50 25.0 48 1 4 Not exactly stellar... I'm not saying he hasn't improved, but he definitely was getting some dirty looks his first year. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-14-2005, 08:54 PM	#29
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,363	Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated? You have to see the stats not so lineal if a player is making 8 int in a season you could say he had a great season but if he was trown to his side more that the other corner or got beat for more completions and deep passes you could say that the other CB had the better season and the other team didn't respect him that much yes he took 8 home but maybe gave 20. Champ didn't had amazing stats each year but other QB respected him and tried to avoid him as much as they could. Deion also didn't had amazing stats becasue No-One trew his way. D'Angelo Was getting challenge and beat at the begginig of the season like all rookies but at the end Qb was starting to avoid his side and didn't challenge him that much he still gave some away but as I said and he was I of the rookies that showed more last year.

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