Is it Portis or the Offensive line?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

ITS PORTIS! if you look at san diego they run essentially the same running plays that we do, but LT in the 4th and OT quarters got stronger not weaker. Watch the play of Portis if there isnt a hole he just runs into the back of his OL he hardly ever bounces it outside, and if he does find a break he trips all over himself. Maybe he is thinking too much of his stupid costumes he gonna wear on Thursday. When Rock or Betts get in there they seem to find holes for good gains, isnt it the same line thats in there all game?

Have we really come to people saying ROCK or BETTS are better backs than Portis.

[Stacks42]

im not saying they are better they are def back ups, but they seem to find holes where Portis cannot. Portis runs for 3 yds/carry, Cartwright gets in there and runs for 13 for a TD, whens that last time you saw portis do that? Im saying when they get their shots they move the ball, throw Nemo in there. I dont care how much we spent on Portis if someone else can do the job then let em, hes not doing it

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

ITS PORTIS! if you look at san diego they run essentially the same running plays that we do, but LT in the 4th and OT quarters got stronger not weaker. Watch the play of Portis if there isnt a hole he just runs into the back of his OL he hardly ever bounces it outside, and if he does find a break he trips all over himself. Maybe he is thinking too much of his stupid costumes he gonna wear on Thursday. When Rock or Betts get in there they seem to find holes for good gains, isnt it the same line thats in there all game?

San Diego DOES NOT run essentially the same plays. LT has something that Portis does not have and that is a "blocking" FB. I think that Portis would run better if we used Sellers in the FB roll more often, but we dont.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

San Diego DOES NOT run essentially the same plays. LT has something that Portis does not have and that is a "blocking" FB. I think that Portis would run better if we used Sellers in the FB roll more often, but we dont.

Good point, LT is running behind the best run-blocking FB (Lorenzo Neal) in the league. Only KC's Tony Richardson is in the same "league" as Neal.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

thats why i say its a 1979 offense and not 2005

Gibbs wasn't around Washington in 1979.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

The problem is they can afford to stack the line and move the safteys up..we wont throw the ball downfield...and we are lucky to even throw it short in the 4th qtr..the o-line is fine ..no deep passes is what has been the running games problem all season.. until we make them respect and protect the long pass teams will stack the line

I agree Rail, but it doesn't end there I watch Portis mis the holes to much for my liking, not all the time, but I see him running into the backs of our linemen when theres a hole right there and by the time he restarts and hits it the defense has closed in on him, I also think he has to drop his weight back down, he's better suited for speed, and quickness, not power as I believe he's trying to become.

[Longtimefan]

One of the major problems with the running game is that the plays are telegraphed from their infancy. When we line up in running formation with a blocker in front of Portis be it Sellers, a tight-end, or Cooley, if you watch the nearest deep back he will usually lead you to the point of attack even with the man in motion. This is the same type offense Gibbs ran with the Hogs and Riggins. Defenses' knew what was coming but they still couldn't stop it. However Riggins is a Hall of Famer and Portis is nothing near that. Coaches have had thirteen years to figure out what Gibbs was doing to them and it's not happening the same way this time around. We have no Riggins, we have no Hogs, so Joe is going to have to change his style of attack if the running game is going to succeed in those crutial times in a game when it's really needed. If you watch closely the defenses' reaction on most of our running plays, you can witness them moving into position to make a play at what they anticipate is going to be the point of attack. Diversity is a must.

IN GIBBS WE TRUST



but they couldn't stop it because our line at that time was unlioke any other in the league at that time

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

One of the major problems with the running game is that the plays are telegraphed from their infancy. When we line up in running formation with a blocker in front of Portis be it Sellers, a tight-end, or Cooley, if you watch the nearest deep back he will usually lead you to the point of attack even with the man in motion. This is the same type offense Gibbs ran with the Hogs and Riggins. Defenses' knew what was coming but they still couldn't stop it. However Riggins is a Hall of Famer and Portis is nothing near that. Coaches have had thirteen years to figure out what Gibbs was doing to them and it's not happening the same way this time around. We have no Riggins, we have no Hogs, so Joe is going to have to change his style of attack if the running game is going to succeed in those crutial times in a game when it's really needed. If you watch closely the defenses' reaction on most of our running plays, you can witness them moving into position to make a play at what they anticipate is going to be the point of attack. Diversity is a must.

IN GIBBS WE TRUST



but they couldn't stop it because our line at that time was unlioke any other in the league at that time

You are absolutely correct, and I had intended to make that a part of my original post.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

You are absolutely correct, and I had intended to make that a part of my original post.

You like to comment on your own post? :confused- :confused- :confused- :confused:

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

You like to comment on your own post? :confused- :confused- :confused- :confused:

That was not my coment Redskins 8588. Obviously someone posted and didn't take their credit.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Good point, LT is running behind the best run-blocking FB (Lorenzo Neal) in the league. Only KC's Tony Richardson is in the same "league" as Neal.

I'd add Mack Strong of the Seahawks to that list....and what a perfect name for a fullback

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'd add Mack Strong of the Seahawks to that list....and what a perfect name for a fullback

and dan kreider on the steelers

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

im not saying they are better they are def back ups, but they seem to find holes where Portis cannot. Portis runs for 3 yds/carry, Cartwright gets in there and runs for 13 for a TD, whens that last time you saw portis do that? Im saying when they get their shots they move the ball, throw Nemo in there. I dont care how much we spent on Portis if someone else can do the job then let em, hes not doing it

portis got the 8 yard TD against the eagles among other things and his average is 4.2 last i checked. rock has less than 100yards on the year.

[flyfischer]

I was watching an old VHS copy of the 88 NFC championship and Superbowl haha. One day I won't have to live in the past! Any way, its funny how similar our offense is to that one. Someone earlier said that they knew what was coming back then, just no one could stop it...I agree, but I think it was all the o line. Our running backs that year were George Rogers, Timmy Smith, and Kelvin Bryant...none of which are hall of famers. They just had a steam roller in front of them, so they could chip off 5 or 6 yards every time. It was the same frustrating offense as now...it just worked! Run, run, pass...run, run, pass...with a few shots downfield every now and then but mostly dink and dunk passes. Madden and Summerall even knew the name to the Skins' running packages-"heavy" if that says how obvious it was. They knew about the counter-tre just like they do now. Great pass blocking too...Williams didn't get sacked too often. I tell you though, even though the offensive line was great...what I wouldn't give to have Dave Butz, Dexter Manly, Monty Coleman, and Charles Mann again!

[ST21]

He did well in Denver behind a Pro-Bowl Line.....but hey, lets blame him....just because it easier and he took all that money.........Shame on you Clinton, Shame on you :yeahright