Brunell is Bad

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Please excuse the hostility but you have to understand we've discussed this very topic ad nauseam... when you're new to a forum try doing a search before posting. Often you'll find we're already discussing your topic.

lmao hahaha damn what can I say

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by jordanz301

first of all some1 shoulda closed this thread when it started......2nd u guys are saying that when a qb relys on his arm and tries to squeeze to make big plays is bad? the only way to make a big play like that is to take the gamble of throwing it up.......LOOK AT FAVRE he threw way more ints than td's i think most in his career.......would u take brunell b/c he doesnt go for the big play and doesnt throw ints, or would u take favre whos known for big plays in tight situations but throws ints too? ok then.....bottom line is ramsey didnt get his fair shot and thats bs! i respect brunell for taking us to the playoffs, but u act like ramseys an idiot and hasnt grown and wont grow anymore..........when he played releif for brunells old broken ass he did great he threw a thouchdown pass to santana and he "managed the game" i think better than brunelll he looked fine to me.......if we lose ramsey im really gnna miss him we havent seen ANYTHING in campbell absolutley nothing, he had great offensive supporting cast in aubrn, he threw a couple good balls in a mediocre ass defense in the pre-season......i say stick with ramsey and make big plays

Very good

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I've never felt comfortable with Brunell behind center. Never liked the way we acquired him and have a constant feeling of impending doom when he drops back and doesnt hand off to Portis. However, I will be the first to admit he made some spectacular plays this season. Especially in Dallas, and every now and then he'd throw a ball perfectly into coverage that made you say "wow." Even with that, I don't feel that's enough to keep him here and I really thought Ramsey could have done a much better job than Brunell this season. While he'll definitely turn the ball over more, he'll also put up a lot more yards and spread the ball around a lot more than Brunell.

I may be wrong in this, but I think we save a lot of money cutting Brunell, I'd feel much more confident cutting Brunell and keeping a cheap Ramsey to compete with Campbell for the starting job.

Brunell's biggest downfall is when he gets at all hurt, he starts to make Ryan Leaf look like a good pickup. He won't pull himself out, Gibbs won't pull him out, and all he does is hurt the game. One play, in particular, made me nervous about Brunell last year. I think we can all remember Cooley trotting, wide open, along the back of the endzone. While Brunell stared at him the whole time before finally throwing the ball what seemed like hours later. During this time a defensive player locked onto Brunells eyes and was pretty close to Cooley by the time he caught it. After this he said he just had to make sure he was open. Granted he made that one, but how many potential plays did he miss.

I simply don't feel confident with Brunell behind center, while he had few interceptions, like an above poster said, his fumbles were pretty bad. At least Ramsey throws INT's 40 yards up field near the receiver.

I know what you mean I was never on his bandwagon he never impressed me i knew the fall would come... anyone can throw an 5 yard pass

[Sean Taylor is God]

Originally Posted by Dana87

I find your entire post lacking any real knowledge of what the QB position is all about. While I will concede that Brunell is not Payton Manning, I will say this he made the most of what he was given to work with. I don't know if you go to the games or watch on TV, but when your at the game you can see if guys are running wide open and the QB is not getting him the ball. As someone that was at almost all the home games this year and even a couple of the away games that was not the case. I am sure you are a very big Redskins fan but your opinion that big plays in the passing game happen in spite of Brunell rather than because of him is just foolish. I realize bashing Brunell has become the "In thing" to do on a lot of these fan sites, but to make the statements you've made is ridiculous.

Why don't you explain to me what the QB position is all about?

This is my first day actually posting on one of these sites so I am not joining any bandwagon. How are my claims ridiculous? Great you go to the games, so do I. And without santana moss there is no deep threat because Brunell can barely get it down there. You say he made the most of what he was given to work with. The 4th ranked RB, a line with top 5 people at each position except for LG. Moss. Cooley. Dream coaching staff and solid team concept. Shhhh! I don't want to hear from you people any more. He has a tremendous amount of talent around him and he underacheived this year. Period.

[Skins_4_Lyfe]

Originally Posted by Sean Taylor is God

I'm not going to dazzle you with numbers or deep theory. I just want to see where this goes. I have been concerned with the aquisition of a #2 WR when somone posed that it is Brunell's fault not Patten's. He is absolutely right. I have never been sold on him but what little offensive success we saw last year had little to do with his play and more to do with individual great plays, good team strategy, and a great offensive line. Our most successful pass plays were quick screen's to Moss and Cooley, and passes in the flat to Sellars. This requires nothing from the QB but delivery and every 3rd QB in the league can give you delivery. Our success on these passes were due to great blocks and moss's speed. At no point did Brunell demonstrate an ability to read coverages and complete passes down the middle of the field. The long ball consisted of him throwing it as far as his weak arm could muster and have speedy Moss outrun coverage. He rarely even attempts down the field passes and when he does they make me sad. Honestly, I tear up. His willingness to throw the ball away is something for review, and he has no problem punting the ball away. I often feel that he does not want the ball and would prefer that the other team's offense had it so the defense would be responsible. We have four arguable top-5 at their position lineman who provided remarkable protection last year. Barring injuries they should be better next year, but hopefully the guy responsible for getting the ball out of the pocket will be calm, assertive, and not mark brunell.


PS- I was just watching a recording of Gibbs at the combine. I love him. And I love you.

I actually thought Brunell had a shot at the Pro Bowl last year...More of his lack of mistakes rather than numbers. Before the game in Arizona Brunell had fewer INTs than any other starting QB; I believe he still finished in the top three in that category. Brunell's not going to throw for 300 yds every week but he manages the game and understands our system. Cut him some slack he did manage to get us to the Playoffs as the list goes on of QBs that have tried and failed since our last run.

He made me a believer...I will always be bias when it comes to discussing Brunell after witnessing the game in Dallas (One of the best comebacks that I have seen to this day). He's getting up there and I to am anxious to see Campbell, but I think it was a good move to replace Ramsey last year or we would have added another year to our playoff drought.

For the first time since I can recall, I didn't have to grind my teeth every time the QB dropped back to pass...my palms weren't as sweaty (and I've been a fan since Gus Frerotte). I felt comfortable with Brunell as our starter but Ramsey scares the hell out of me and I don't have alot of patience for a rookie project (Jason Campbell)...I wouldn't mind if Brunell were handed the keys again next year.

[Paintrain]

Brunell bashers, one question... What were you looking for from the QB position that we didn't get in '05?

[Dirtbag59]

4,000+ yards passing, 45 TD, 0 Int. 80% completetion percentage, 158.3 Rating and 1,000 rushing yards.


Sorry I have high standards.

[Skins_4_Lyfe]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

4,000+ yards passing, 45 TD, 0 Int. 80% completetion percentage, 158.3 Rating and 1,000 rushing yards.


Sorry I have high standards.

I suggest you pull out the PlayStation2 and set it on Rookie... Brunell is definitely an upgrade from past QBs.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Sean Taylor is God

Why don't you explain to me what the QB position is all about?

This is my first day actually posting on one of these sites so I am not joining any bandwagon. How are my claims ridiculous? Great you go to the games, so do I. And without santana moss there is no deep threat because Brunell can barely get it down there. You say he made the most of what he was given to work with. The 4th ranked RB, a line with top 5 people at each position except for LG. Moss. Cooley. Dream coaching staff and solid team concept. Shhhh! I don't want to hear from you people any more. He has a tremendous amount of talent around him and he underacheived this year. Period.

you don't get 40+ yard pass plays with a noodle arm. its not george or farve, but its not as bad as you seem to think.

and again, propagating the rumour that we have top 5 offensive linemen at any position besides RG is a vicious vicious lie.


and then you decide to go with the i'm right causes i said so so shut up line :P that's really a great way to sell your opinion.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Skins_4_Lyfe

I suggest you pull out the PlayStation2 and set it on Rookie... Brunell is definitely an upgrade from past QBs.

sarcasm doesn't translate to web forums i guess...

[mooby]

guys, why put the blame on brunell? it's obviously nascar boy's fault that our team sucks and is going to fail next year right? he's obviously gotten too old to handle the nfl. we should put him out to pasture.

[Daseal]

Brunell bashers, one question... What were you looking for from the QB position that we didn't get in '05?

I was looking for a quarterback to go out and win games, not go out and try not to lose games.

[MTK]

We did win 10 games and a playoff game too, right?

Just checking.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I was looking for a quarterback to go out and win games, not go out and try not to lose games.

dallas, reg season tampa bay (defense blew that one ten times over), dallas 2, giants-2, san fransisco, etc.

[Sean Taylor is God]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you don't get 40+ yard pass plays with a noodle arm. its not george or farve, but its not as bad as you seem to think.

and again, propagating the rumour that we have top 5 offensive linemen at any position besides RG is a vicious vicious lie.


and then you decide to go with the i'm right causes i said so so shut up line :P that's really a great way to sell your opinion.

I can throw an NFL football 40 yds. So can a bunch of people on this message board. Samuels is a top 5 LT, Jansen?, Rabach, and you think randy thomas is the only good one? Brunell has a offensive line, that I might ad is run by one of the best line coaches of all time, Joe Bugel.