Skins officially pick Rocky McIntosh

[CooleyAsCanBe]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

My problem is certainly not with the player, but with the fact that we traded up at all. He wasn't in high demand, and almost certainly would have been there at 53.

Nice avatar. Everything I have heard from those in the know (SkinsnCanes & Coach Gibbs, not necessarily in that order--No offense SnC) says that he wouldn't have been around at 53. This is particularly true since a run on LBs began early in the 2nd round, which is why we moved up when we did.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SkinEmAll

hey EXoffender whats the story w/ berman and a shark?

it means he's not entertaining or as good as he used to be

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by CooleyAsCanBe

Nice avatar. Everything I have heard from those in the know (SkinsnCanes & Coach Gibbs, not necessarily in that order--No offense SnC) says that he wouldn't have been around at 53. This is particularly true since a run on LBs began early in the 2nd round, which is why we moved up when we did.

When you listened to Gibbs press conference, he did everything but say this guy is already penciled in as a starter. He kept saying how he can play any position and can blitz, then he would mention that he already talked to lemar to see if he cared if he moved around to different positions...The guys going to be a starter for us very early, if not week 1.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

My problem is certainly not with the player, but with the fact that we traded up at all. He wasn't in high demand, and almost certainly would have been there at 53.

i don't know if he would have been there at 53, but alston would have been, and richard marshall (CB), and matui and spencer, and abdul hodge, all of which could be impact players.

at 35, we could have taken justice (QUALITY OL backup) or jimmy williams or even chad jackson (totally not needed).

with jimmy williams, we could just sit in nickel all day and use taylor and archuleta as option linebackers.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I guess 29 is high for a football player. I thought there was a Center that scored in the high 40s. Somebody posted a link in a thread about two months ago when the Vince Young scored 6 thing was brewing. If anyone can, re-post, please?

29 is a great score. 40 is rare and considered exceptional, usually only QBs get in the 30's, 40's.

With that beign said...29 for a miami football player is pretty much like acing the test...lol

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

29 is a great score. 40 is rare and considered exceptional, usually only QBs get in the 30's, 40's.

With that beign said...29 for a miami football player is pretty much like acing the test...lol

Yeah. I hope it's legit.

[mooby]

are they serious? we gave up our second rounder this year, and a second rounder and a sixth rounder next year? Now, Macintosh might turn out to be a good player, but that's a lot to give up to move up 18 spots in the second round this year.

[SKINSnCANES]

why do people not understand how moving up in the draft works. We didtn give up two first round picks for Campbell, and we didnt give up two 2nd round picks for Rocky. We gave up a 2nd round pick next year to essentially move up a round this year, or up a great number of picks. We still got a 2nd round pick.

It is a high pick to give up, I agree. But if its what we need to win it all this year, or go farther in the playoffs then its worth it. If hes a bust, and we dotn do well this year, then we'll wish we had it. But id rather put my self in a better position to win this year when we're so close

[kingerock]

I don't see what the fuss is about with trading away the 2 seconds and a 6th. We talk all offseason how we can't afford to sign our picks, so when we package them to move up and get our 2 or 3 guys, then it's a bad move?

I think if you're gonna build through free agency, which we do, then you have to trade your picks away to stay out of horrible cap trouble.

[mcalderone10]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

why do people not understand how moving up in the draft works. We didtn give up two first round picks for Campbell, and we didnt give up two 2nd round picks for Rocky. We gave up a 2nd round pick next year to essentially move up a round this year, or up a great number of picks. We still got a 2nd round pick.

It is a high pick to give up, I agree. But if its what we need to win it all this year, or go farther in the playoffs then its worth it. If hes a bust, and we dotn do well this year, then we'll wish we had it. But id rather put my self in a better position to win this year when we're so close

so then who has the 53rd pick in the draft this year?

just so you don't have to go to redskins.com or anywhere else i did for you...


To obtain McIntosh, the Redskins traded the 53rd pick in the second round of this year's draft, the 189th pick in the sixth round of this year's draft and a second-round pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by kingerock

I don't see what the fuss is about with trading away the 2 seconds and a 6th. We talk all offseason how we can't afford to sign our picks, so when we package them to move up and get our 2 or 3 guys, then it's a bad move?

I think if you're gonna build through free agency, which we do, then you have to trade your picks away to stay out of horrible cap trouble.

the problem i had with the trade is that better talent was available at 35 than what we took and impact players were still there at 53 (at CB, LB, OG, S).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by mcalderone10

so then who has the 53rd pick in the draft this year?

just so you don't have to go to redskins.com or anywhere else i did for you...


To obtain McIntosh, the Redskins traded the 53rd pick in the second round of this year's draft, the 189th pick in the sixth round of this year's draft and a second-round pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.

and they got a 2nd rounder in return. so we had a net loss one 1 2007 2nd round pick and 1 2006 6th round pick. that's what SnC is saying. trade 3 for 1 = -2.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

the problem i had with the trade is that better talent was available at 35 than what we took and impact players were still there at 53 (at CB, LB, OG, S).

I strongly disagree with the notion that you can go into a draft and be really flexible with the guys you draft. You can't go in there and be like oh this guy will work, and if we don't get him, this other guy will work. No.

The whole reason you scout players and do your research is to uncover what you think are the real gems. Then when you think you've found one, you stick to your convictions and you go get him.

I think Gibbs and Williams liked McIntosh for a reason. Williams needs flexibility, he needs intelligence, he needs blitz capability, he needs speed to cover the tougher TEs, but most of all he needed a weakside LB. We didn't need Justice as a backup OL, or a backup Safety with our 2nd round pick. That wouldn't make any sense.

When teams say they're going to pick "best available player", that means who THEY think is the best available. Not the conventional wisdom best player available. You do your own scouting, your own research, and draw your own conclusions.

And I think Gibbs and Williams are better at drawing conclusions about players than just about anybody else out there.

[That Guy]

how you get good teams is by covering your bases in FA and drafting the best talent you can use. not overpaying for one player when guys that can also be better quality starters for you are also available. we still need DB and OL depth, those needs didn't magically disappear because we took an OLB.

jon alston also fits your list of needs of being smart and fast.

in order to maximize talent, you have to have more than one player you can live with.

you think the eagles thought they'd get bunkley or justice without an expensive trade? no, but they got both anyways, which can be solid starters for them for 10 years.

trying to jusitify our pick post-draft doesn't have to include bashing the maximizing of talent as wrong, even if the skins choose not to do it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

how you get good teams is by covering your bases in FA and drafting the best talent you can use. not overpaying for one player when guys that can also be better quality starters for you are also available. we still need DB and OL depth, those needs didn't magically disappear because we took an OLB.

jon alston also fits your list of needs of being smart and fast.

in order to maximize talent, you have to have more than one player you can live with.

you think the eagles thought they'd get bunkley or justice without an expensive trade? no, but they got both anyways, which can be solid starters for them for 10 years.

trying to jusitify our pick post-draft doesn't have to include bashing the maximizing of talent as wrong, even if the skins choose not to do it.

"Maximizing talent" is a useless strategy if you determine that a certain player's talents aren't a good fit for the way you play football. In today's NFL when players often leave a team after 3 or 4 years, the player you pick needs to fit into your system quickly. They need to be teachable first and foremost. Their skill sets need to fit your schemes. You can't do something ridiculous like drafting Jimmy Williams, playing him at safety, and moving Adam Archuleta to LB.

The draft is not about "maximizing talent." It's about players that can help your team maximize performance as a unit. Talent (as determined by the media) is not always the driver behind performance. You need fit first. Talent is secondary to fit.