Grade Rocky McIntosh

[Master4Caster]

I would have graded him an "I" for Incomplete. Just don't know enough to evaluate McIntosh or the price we paid for him.

I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt.

[Daseal]

Schneed -- The great thing abouit the draft is normal fans like us can look at a player, see something we love about it, get high on him (even though others may not be) and both sides have an equal chance of being right. I feel every player (just about) through the 3rd round can be a quality starter in this league if they're put into a situation that fits them. Can't fit a square peg into a round hole, and some teams try to do that.

Granted, coaches have more resources available to them, but this would be a boring chat board if everyone here sat around sucking Gibbs off.

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by Daseal

this would be a boring chat board if everyone here sat around sucking Gibbs off.

Good lord...what a horrible, horrible disturbing awful thought. [shudder]

:vomit:

[celts32]

I love the pick, but the trade was not so good. It seemed like a very steep price to pay. They basically spent two #2 picks for Rocky.

The problem the Redskins always run into is that they are always trading future draft picks and future draft picks are not worth as much. If they had a full compliment of picks yesterday they could have traded from those to get up there.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

...But considering the success on first-day picks so far in Gibbs' second term, I'd say we have to hold off on criticizing.

You mean like Jason Campbell? We spent a ton to trade up into the first round and draft a guy who will be competing for the backup position in his second year.

As for the move to get Rocky, I think the price was too high. The very next pick New England moved up almost as many spots and it only cost them a low third round pick this year to do it. I don't think it was worth next year's #2 and this year's 6th to move that high up for him. Of course, if he really does end up being a solid starter, we've filled a major area of need and the price wouldn't seem too bad. Only time will tell.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Is Danny really the man behind the curtain of the Jets organization?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Call it blind faith, but when I see the coaching staff get locked into a guy and go all out to get him, I get really excited. Gibbs and company have earned that blind faith if you ask me, they've been great with Day 1 picks. Taylor, Rogers, Cooley, Campbell (jury still out).

I love it. I'm very excited. I voted A.

I'd like to add (That Guy, please don't take offense) that all of the draft ratings and all that nonsense that people get so wrapped up in is just bogus. I don't care what Scouts.com says about a guy, or Mel Kiper, or whatever. If the player is someone that Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams are excited about, then I tend to follow suit.

Not sure whether that makes me a homer or if it means that I simply tend to defer to some of the best football coaches in the game.

I have to agree that all the players that gibbs and supporting cast has targeted have turned out to be great picks. I think giving up a 2nd round choice next year to move up may be a lot to give up, but depending on how you look at it - it may be worth it. It's a real good sign to me that they were targeting him in the first place.

I think they didn't want to take the risk of having some other team pick him up. To me, 18 picks (35 to 53) might have been too much of gamble to assume that some other team didn't rate him as high as the redskins. Especially the run on lbs before the 35th pick. Gibbs looks like he went with his instincts on this move and I think his instincts are one of the major differences between him (a great legendary coach) and good coaches. Now he is applying those instincts on the personnel arena.

We will probably never know if some other team would have picked up McIntosh, but at least the redskins are not kicking themselves today for not making the move to pick up the one player that they really felt good about and letting someone else get him. It looks like to me that they are making all the right moves with their weaknesses - taking the steps to turn their weaknesses into strengths.

[backrow]

Celts32,

"Whether we selected him at #53 or #35 our next pick would have been a 5th rounder.

Again here is the draft breakdown vs. NFLdraftblitz.com's value chart


Quote:
Pick #35 550 points
Pick #53 370 points

That is a difference of 180 points

If you value next year's second as a third at the same position you are picking this year that is pick #85 which equals 165 points

This year's 6th (189) is 16.8 points

We gave up a total of 551.8 draft value points for a pick worth 550 draft value points. That is about as even as you can get and we got a player at a need position for us that can start right away.



McIntosh was listed in the top 40 players by many scouts and with Thomas Howard going at #38, a player rated lower then McIntosh, Rocky would have been gone at #53, and probably Howard as well as there is a big drop off in talent at LBer after him.

This was a great pick at a position of great need and a great trade to get him."

http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=12336&page=2

[EXoffender]

Originally Posted by That Guy

question, before today, would you rather have jimmy williams or mcintosh?

we don't have a need at OT or WR, even though those players are great too (jackson/justice), but if you'd have passed on williams for mcintosh last week, everyone would say you're nuts. (just move him to safety and turn archuleta into a linebacker :P)

I see your point. But you have to consider how we would address our hole at LB in the 5th or later rounds after we drafted J Williams. We needed a top five LB prospect and not one from the consensus scouts' list. If Greenway, DQ, or Carpenter fell out of the first, that would have opened up another avenue to make a decision on.

[warriorzpath]

And by the way, I feel like some of you: damn, I wish we didn't give up another high pick next year. But I can at least take some comfort in justifying that what we have given up (with cap space, player/draft trades) has gotten us some great returns (of investment).

[EXoffender]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

And by the way, I feel like some of you: damn, I wish we didn't give up another high pick next year. But I can at least take some comfort in justifying that what we have given up (with cap space, player/draft trades) has gotten us some great returns (of investment).

We're looking good for next year's draft as of right now, and our team is on average at a prime age.

[Drago]

Looks like a good pick to fill a hole that needed filling. It will be interesting to see if he starts. Greg Williams is not known for starting rookies ie: Taylor.
If he does start that makes a serious statement about how they really feel about Clemmons and Holdman.

[EXoffender]

Originally Posted by Drago

Looks like a good pick to fill a hole that needed filling. It will be interesting to see if he starts. Greg Williams is not known for starting rookies ie: Taylor.
If he does start that makes a serious statement about how they really feel about Clemmons and Holdman.

Williams will gradually work him in yes.

[skins052bgr8]

I gave him a B, because of what I have read on the internet and that he filled a need and our original sought after player to fill what appears to be the Weak Side. Also you have to give a plus for what he will add as a guy from the U and Portis weekly skits. That is something all the analyst left out when they evaluated what he brings to our team, nothing about Midweek costumes and his role in topping last years. See what I mean the damn anaylst do not know anything about this team.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

McIntosh scored a 31, not a 29, on his wonderlic, the highest score of any of this year's rookie linebackers.