Do you really wanna see anymore todd collins?

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by That Guy

collins only looked good against 4th stringers. if anyone wants him starting after that, they should be shot

At last someone else who seeing collins for what he is. A coach of some sort not a player. I am with you on this lets start lining them up now...lol

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm already preparing for the massive freakout once Collins is named the #2. He's definitely the new scapegoat flavor of the month.

Collins is going to be named #2 because he's Saunder's boy, but there's a reason he hasn't gotten any serious playing time in nine years. He doesn't have nearly the amount of natural ability that Campbell has. I wouldn't mind if Collins filled in, if Brunell was knocked out for a game, but if he were to go down for the season, it'd make much more sense to let Campbell take over.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

collins only looked good against 4th stringers. if anyone wants him starting after that, they should be shot

I don't want him starting...but I would also add that Collins maybe have been playing against 4th stringers, but he also was throwing to 4th stringers behind a 4th string line.

[vaoutlaws2006]

Well lets be honest....what is todd collins? a career backup. If, and i hate to say this, brunnell goes down Jason Campbell has got to play period. Todd Colllins maybe fluent with this offense and saunders boy and all that but our best shot at winning without Brunnell has got to be with number 17 leading our offense. I still swear by that certain number 11 that used to be here. I would be a little less concerned if he was still here.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

Well lets be honest....what is todd collins? a career backup. If, and i hate to say this, brunnell goes down Jason Campbell has got to play period. Todd Colllins maybe fluent with this offense and saunders boy and all that but our best shot at winning without Brunnell has got to be with number 17 leading our offense. I still swear by that certain number 11 that used to be here. I would be a little less concerned if he was still here.

You mean the same #11 riding the pine in NY?

That's really something to hang your hat on.

[MTK]

NFL.com - Washington Redskins Team Stats

Collins was actually our highest rated QB this preseason. Granted that's not saying much, but take it for what it's worth. He's the only one that threw a TD pass, and his completion % was 59.3.

And yet we have a 13 page thread bashing him silly.

[SmootSmack]

I think we'll see Collins back up Brunell. So he'll come in during a game. But if it's a case where Brunell can't start a game then I see them working on JC during the week so he can start the game. I don't see Collins actually starting any games

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You mean the same #11 riding the pine in NY?

That's really something to hang your hat on.

your not going to even say that Todd Collins is better than patrick ramsey...are you out of you mind? we need a little straw poll here...Todd Collins in not an nfl caliber quarterback. PERIOD.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

your not going to even say that Todd Collins is better than patrick ramsey...are you out of you mind? we need a little straw poll here...Todd Collins in not an nfl caliber quarterback. PERIOD.

For this offense, yes I'd take Collins over Ramsey.

So are you trying to tell me that Ramsey is a NFL caliber QB?? Dude can't even beat out a limp-armed Pennington who's had serious shoulder surgery two years in a row.

I guess what it comes down to is the opinion of some very knowledgeable coaches. Ramsey was traded and Collins brought in, kinda lets you know what they think of them both.

But I guess you know an NFL caliber QB when you see one, and a Hall of Fame coach and a well respected offensive coordinator are the ones that don't understand.

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

For this offense, yes I'd take Collins over Ramsey.

So are you trying to tell me that Ramsey is a NFL caliber QB?? Dude can't even beat out a limp-armed Pennington who's had serious shoulder surgery two years in a row.

Look how he was treated here by first of all spurrier and then named started last year only to have it taken from him. Did you really think he was going to unseat Pennington as starter..? regardless of the shoulder the jets have too much money tied up in Pennington for him not to be the starter. I think Ramsey proved he can play in this league...I think you need to goto nfl.com and look at the career stats. Look at qb rating. The stats dont lie.

[MTK]

Sorry if I'm not overwhelmed by a career 75.0 rating.

You're right, the stats don't lie. Career completion % of 55.7. 24 games started in 4 years. Yep, all adds up to a mediocre QB to me.

Ramsey is NOT anything special. Enough with the excuses. Spurrier ruined him, Gibbs screwed him, he wasn't going to beat out Pennington, etc.

If he was a true NFL caliber starting QB, he wouldn't be riding the pine YET AGAIN.

[SmootSmack]

I can't believe we're talking about Patrick Ramsey yet again. It's just mind boggling. He must have compromising pictures of half the people on this site.

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I can't believe we're talking about Patrick Ramsey yet again. It's just mind boggling. He must have compromising pictures of half the people on this site.

Allright. Its time for me to let this go i guess. It time for all of us redskin fans to unite and support our drive to the superbowl. Time for our braves to go on the warpath.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by vaoutlaws2006

Look how he was treated here by first of all spurrier and then named started last year only to have it taken from him. Did you really think he was going to unseat Pennington as starter..? regardless of the shoulder the jets have too much money tied up in Pennington for him not to be the starter. I think Ramsey proved he can play in this league...I think you need to goto nfl.com and look at the career stats. Look at qb rating. The stats dont lie.

Oh please don't start that crap! How many excuses does one have to come up with before they finally see the light on ol #11. Don't get me wrong, he's probably a nice guy, but if that's all it takes to be an NFL caliber QB, I'd be better than Joe Montana....

[mike340]

Collins over Ramsey.

Sacks are drive killers, and nobody in the league waits for his "hug" more than Ramsey. It doesn't even show in the QB rating!