It's not Brunell's fault!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Against the NFC East, we've been outscored 46-13, and have not scored an offensive touchdown.

That sums everything up. Even if our offense scored 25 points and racked up 450 yards a game, our defense would let the opponents beat us. Conversely, even if our defense held opponents to 15 points per game, we'd still lose because our offense can't score.

Does anyone else need any evidence of how BOTH units are to blame for our woes?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mike340

One of the things Brunell brings to the table is that he knows how to change a play at the line of scrimmage (based on the defensive set.) I have read that Saunders' system practically eliminates this possibility. Peyton was changing plays all night. Unfortunately, when Brunell sees that the defensive set is going to scr*w the play, he can't do anything to fix it (except for calling a time-out.) I think this greatly hinders the Redskins offense.

Also, a couple of games ago he was furious because the plays weren't coming in fast enough. How much of the season has this been going on. And in spite of all the short dump-offs, at the end of the first half he had 10 hurries in 15 attempts (with 10 completions.) Many on this board feel that Saunders calls few long passes because Brunell has a "noodle" arm. I wonder if he is more reticent because he knows the line can't protect him that long without holding. (Remember the beginning of the season? Weren't we on pace to set a new record for number of penalties, with offensive holding leading the way?)

I have a lot of respect for Brunell after 2004. Not for how he passed. (That was as painful to watch as I can remember.) But because he was injured (which he shared with the coaching staff), but never gave it as excuse for his poor performance in public.

I have seen Brunell explode once: when (as I mentioned before) the plays were coming in late this year. I think Gibbs has him talk because he won't badmouth anybody else. (And don't tell me there is no-one else to badmouth.) In general, the reaction of the people who talk to the press from the Redskins organization reminds me of a cartoon I saw in the foreign service journal. There were seven people holding down a furious man in a room. The room's only door was open a crack, and the person just inside the door was informing the one on the outside that "The ambassador has no comment at this time."

I think the reason you don't see explosions out of the Redskins organization is because public "disturbances" usually end up a negative. (Remember the Giants before their game with us?)

Do I feel Brunell is a great QB? No. He is a good solid QB. He will not lose games for you. Gibbs got him since he felt the rest of the team would hold up its end. It doesn't seem to be working out that way. Scoring: 20 pts/game. Defense: 26 pts/game.
Two years ago, 21 pts/game would have given them a record of 13-2-1.
I think the problems hang more on the D.

Well said. I believe one of the problems, that goes along with Matty's identity point, is that last year, Gibbs built his offense around Brunell's strength. You saw a lot more touch passes last year that took advantage of Brunell's unique strengths as a passer. This season, Brunell is being used in a more generic system. It's an OK fit, but not as good as last year. He's adapted about as well as one could have expected.

[SmootSmack]

Maybe it was mistake to promote Bill Lazor to QB coach. Make Todd Collins the QB coach!

[EternalEnigma21]

I haven't seen us run a true no-huddle, or even get in a hurry calling plays yet.

Wasn't that one of the things that was so touted about Saunders offenses was the pace of the game. Guys ran to the huddle if there was one and ran to the line and went in motion and ran their routes and ran and ran and ran...no audibles just effective options playing off of each other one after another confusing defenses???

(I can do it in madden, btw... its pretty cool, I can plan an entire series and call the plays in anticipation of my opponent and I'm pretty good at it... I got it from reading about Saunder's offense.)

The KC offense and the greatest show on turf was alot faster paced than what we're seeing. I wonder why that is...

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I haven't seen us run a true no-huddle, or even get in a hurry calling plays yet.

Wasn't that one of the things that was so touted about Saunders offenses was the pace of the game. Guys ran to the huddle if there was one and ran to the line and went in motion and ran their routes and ran and ran and ran...no audibles just effective options playing off of each other one after another confusing defenses???

(I can do it in madden, btw... its pretty cool, I can plan an entire series and call the plays in anticipation of my opponent and I'm pretty good at it... I got it from reading about Saunder's offense.)

The KC offense and the greatest show on turf was alot faster paced than what we're seeing. I wonder why that is...

the quick huddle and shifting were ditching immediately after not working in week 1 or 2. not sure if gibbs pulled rank for that or not. not sure why we killed the shotgun either. not sure why there hasn't been a single addjustment to our offense or playcalling since jacksonville. someone's gotta step up and fix this thing though. on offense they're underperforming. on defense it's more injuries/depth related. neither is worth talking about right now .

[henry12portis26]

Bru-Tell

He is the reason why are offense blows goat.... he had 106 passer rating
Big fucking deal! He threw like 5 yd dump offs to betts all day. The guy threw high how many times i cant remember, he gave moss a suicide pass and he is now so fuckin' slow he throw the ball away everytime he has to move. He cant throw over 15 yds this team is going to shit! Gibbs is pulling another '05 where he kept that fuckin' hack in too long and Ramsey came in 5 games left and was 3-2....

WE WANT CAMPBELL!

[0421kidwell]

mark Brunell Sucks!!!!!

enough Said!!!!

[0421kidwell]

What Kind Of A Name Is brunell It Comes From The Word ............garbage!!!

[SmootSmack]

421 you're adding nothing to the site. Consider this your first official warning

[0421kidwell]

i am just stating the obvious it is brunell's fault he's old and washed up!! why did we keep him, just because someone disagree's with you you should not hold it against that person!! If your a brunell lover undertand this HE WILL NEVER WIN THE REDSKINS A SUPERBOWL

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 0421kidwell

i am just stating the obvious it is brunell's fault he's old and washed up!! why did we keep him, just because someone disagree's with you you should not hold it against that person!! If your a brunell lover undertand this HE WILL NEVER WIN THE REDSKINS A SUPERBOWL

First quit with the bold and bigger font. Second, if all you want to keep saying in every post is Brunell sucks, he's garbage I'm sure even those that agree with you would agree with me that you add nothing at all by repeating it in every thread

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 0421kidwell

i am just stating the obvious it is brunell's fault he's old and washed up!! why did we keep him, just because someone disagree's with you you should not hold it against that person!! If your a brunell lover undertand this HE WILL NEVER WIN THE REDSKINS A SUPERBOWL

This is probably true. However this sentence could be rephrased less biasedly as, "The Washington Redskins will never win the super bowl during the span of Mark Brunell's career." Equally true, and doesn't blame MB for something he has little control over.

[0421kidwell]

What is this English class?Ok I will break down Brunell,
A: He can't throw deep
B: He's old
C: HE intimidates nobody noteven the raiders
D: Saunders cant call deep plays because Mark cannot throw the ball deep to anybody
E: No speed
F: He's lost the "it" factor?
G: Besides Elway name me one player after the age of 37 that has won a suprbowl at QB at that age? Also tell me if that player is in the hall of fame or not?
H: How many people boo mark constantely at the home games?
I: OLD QB'S CAN'T WIN SUPERBOWL'S unless they are John Elway

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 0421kidwell

What is this English class?Ok I will break down Brunell,
A: He can't throw deep
B: He's old
C: HE intimidates nobody noteven the raiders
D: Saunders cant call deep plays because Mark cannot throw the ball deep to anybody
E: No speed
F: He's lost the "it" factor?
G: Besides Elway name me one player after the age of 37 that has won a suprbowl at QB at that age? Also tell me if that player is in the hall of fame or not?
H: How many people boo mark constantely at the home games?
I: OLD QB'S CAN'T WIN SUPERBOWL'S unless they are John Elway

Elway was the greatest ever to play, IMO. Brunell was never asked to do what John Elway did. But I'll take your quiz.

A. Sure he could and he does at times.
B. Good Point.
C. You can't intimidate the Raiders. You beat the Raiders while they attempt to intimidate you.
D. Without getting into how the nature of playcalling disallows a coach to "call a deep play", you've already made this point in A.
E. I'd say he moves quite well for a 37 year old. If your point is that he's old, good work.
F. I don't think so. I believe in the "it" factor, or QB intangibles. I don't think you EVER lose it, but its a subjective topic, so you can't prove that.
G. Well, Elway was the oldest player ever to win a SB at age 37, so you really have me there! But 4 years ago Rich Gannon played in the Super Bowl at age 37, and was the league MVP that year. So if you are saying old QBs can't play, that's quite easily disprovable.
H. Anyone who is frusterated at the team.
I. Well, Elway was the oldest player ever to win a SB at age 37, so you really have me there! But 4 years ago Rich Gannon played in the Super Bowl at age 37, and was the league MVP that year. So if you are saying old QBs can't play, that's quite easily disprovable.

Welcome to the boards.

[0421kidwell]

TO reply to GTRIPP I am biased:: the future is now!!! The cowboys will start romo it's time to start jason or todd