Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill

Questfor31 · 03-03-2007, 01:04 AM

Can anyone tell me about offensive guard Derrick Dockery that the Buffalo Bills just paid $49 million over seven years? In the Buffalo media they claim this guy is a stud, that Dockery was a large part of the Redskins rushing success last season. Is this guy really a stud? Is he overrated? Is he the superb run blocker that he is billed to be in the Buffalo press? Would you have preferred that he resigned with the Redskins?

celts32 · 03-03-2007, 01:08 AM

Dock is a good player...I wanted the skins to keep him. But the Bills gave him Steve Hutchinson money and he is not even close to that good.

Aussie_Skins_Fan · 03-03-2007, 01:08 AM

Not a stud, but a solid part of a stud line. Being the youngest on our old line he probably has his best to come. Would love to have kept him but not for the price the Bills paid!

Big C · 03-03-2007, 01:09 AM

great run blocker, decent pass blocker. prone to the mental mistake. very big and strong and hard to move. a good guard but not an elite guard for 49 million IMO.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-03-2007, 01:12 AM

Quest:

Since you asked...

Dockery is overpaid given the contract he just signed.

He was in the league for 3 years as a soft/fat guy in the middle of the offensive line. Last year he lost 50 lbs of fat and added 20 lbs of muscle and played very well. QUESTION: Did he do that because he finally "saw the light" or did he do that only because it was his contract year and he wanted to get paid? Sorry, I don't read minds... You can make that call after you see him play next season.

He is better at straight ahead blocking than pulling. He is better pulling to his side of the line instead of the other side of the line because he does not run all that fast.

He is durable; he has no history of injuries. He has no reputation as a malcontent or a problem in the locker room.

Summary: A good solid player who is young and might have a lot of improvement left in him - - assuming he does not come down with a case of "fat wallet syndrome". But I doubt he'll serve out this entire contract in Buffalo without several restructurings because he's not worth this kind of cap number.

70Chip · 03-03-2007, 01:13 AM

He will single handedly lead you to the Promised Land. The Promised Land being a new restaurant near Orchard Park. Ha Ha. I amuse myself. He played overweight his whole time here except for last year when he was auditioning to leave. If they can keep his weight down and he doesn't just say "I'm rich, biatch" and laze it up, he could be average. In fairness, he is a bulldozer at straight ahead run blocking. As good as anyone else last year.

For more see the other Dockery post.

Pocket$ $traight · 03-03-2007, 01:14 AM

Now, these are my views and my views only but I am completely serious.

Dock was an all-american at Texas and a very shrewd (for us) third round pick.

At the end of last year, he was probably the 5th most talented lineman on the Redskins. He was the second best guard.

His career started a little shaky under Spurrier and even under Gibbs he had a tendency to get flagged for false starts. He really started to turn the corner in '05. It seemed that he started to play his size. In '06 he worked hard in the offseason and he blossomed even more.

If he continues to work hard, he definitely has the gifts to be a very good lineman for many years. He definitely has upside.

Where I would worry.... I can remember several occasions in goal line packages where they ran behind him and could not get in. It was very surprising because you would think at his size, a goal line play would be automatic.

However, when he is pulling, get out of the way.

Questfor31 · 03-03-2007, 01:17 AM

That's what I was afraid of when I saw Steve Hutchinson money being thrown at this guy. The Bills just signed one of their own free agents, DE Chris Kelsay to a ridiculouosly generous contract. Kelsey will make $5.4 mil per season. He plays on the right side and shares snaps with another DE. Our Pro Bowler Aaron Schobel signed a contract last year paying him $3.8 mil and he carries these other guys. He had 15 sacks last year, Kelsay had 5.5.

I guess we'll find out if Dockery's worth it. The Bills line was horrible last year so anything should be an improvement.

EternalEnigma21 · 03-03-2007, 01:19 AM

he's got potential, but he's well overpaid and he was the worst starting lineman we had...

I never really liked him, but hes very big and strong... just alot of false starts and questionable technique...

I don't know who you guys had that he's replacing... he may be worth being excited about...

EternalEnigma21 · 03-03-2007, 01:20 AM

we just overpaid for london fletcher, too... I just hope he produces and helps our struggling run D and lets other people play their positions more...

70Chip · 03-03-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Questfor31

That's what I was afraid of when I saw Steve Hutchinson money being thrown at this guy. The Bills just signed one of their own free agents, DE Chris Kelsay to a ridiculouosly generous contract. Kelsey will make $5.4 mil per season. He plays on the right side and shares snaps with another DE. Our Pro Bowler Aaron Schobel signed a contract last year paying him $3.8 mil and he carries these other guys. He had 15 sacks last year, Kelsay had 5.5.

I guess we'll find out if Dockery's worth it. The Bills line was horrible last year so anything should be an improvement.

You never know. This contract may represent where the market is. The cap is way up, so teams have money to blow and that may have driven up the price. I don't think you'll have any reason to hate him. I just wouldn't be expecting perennial pro-bowls. He doesn't attract attention much - good or bad.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-03-2007, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by canthetuna

we just overpaid for london fletcher, too... I just hope he produces and helps our struggling run D and lets other people play their positions more...

we really didnt the market has gone crazy if you look at all the other signings they are crazy dock got 18 mill in guarantees nate c got 22 mill so compared to that fletch got a pretty reasonable deal

EternalEnigma21 · 03-03-2007, 01:27 AM

I just say that cause 5 mil/yr for 5 years when youre 31 is alot.. is he going to be worth 5 mil in 2 years? we set ourselves up to eat dead cap alot...

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-03-2007, 01:30 AM

he is scheduled to make 12.5 mill of that in the next 2 years

EternalEnigma21 · 03-03-2007, 01:33 AM

I wonder if the Bills are replacing Gandy... I'd consider picking him up. I bet he'd come cheap and probably fit in our system a little better...

anyone know much about him?

03-03-2007, 01:04 AM	#1
Questfor31 Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 32	Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill Can anyone tell me about offensive guard Derrick Dockery that the Buffalo Bills just paid $49 million over seven years? In the Buffalo media they claim this guy is a stud, that Dockery was a large part of the Redskins rushing success last season. Is this guy really a stud? Is he overrated? Is he the superb run blocker that he is billed to be in the Buffalo press? Would you have preferred that he resigned with the Redskins? __________________ Questfor31 My journey to visit all 31 NFL stadiums NFL Stadium Reviews - Buffalo Bills Fan Check out my visit to FedEx Field at: http://www.nflfootballstadiums.com/FedEx-Field.htm

03-03-2007, 01:08 AM	#2
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill Dock is a good player...I wanted the skins to keep him. But the Bills gave him Steve Hutchinson money and he is not even close to that good. __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

03-03-2007, 01:08 AM	#3
Aussie_Skins_Fan Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 61	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill Not a stud, but a solid part of a stud line. Being the youngest on our old line he probably has his best to come. Would love to have kept him but not for the price the Bills paid! __________________ Even from the other side of the world, i still HAIL!

03-03-2007, 01:09 AM	#4
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill great run blocker, decent pass blocker. prone to the mental mistake. very big and strong and hard to move. a good guard but not an elite guard for 49 million IMO. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

03-03-2007, 01:12 AM	#5
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill Quest: Since you asked... Dockery is overpaid given the contract he just signed. He was in the league for 3 years as a soft/fat guy in the middle of the offensive line. Last year he lost 50 lbs of fat and added 20 lbs of muscle and played very well. QUESTION: Did he do that because he finally "saw the light" or did he do that only because it was his contract year and he wanted to get paid? Sorry, I don't read minds... You can make that call after you see him play next season. He is better at straight ahead blocking than pulling. He is better pulling to his side of the line instead of the other side of the line because he does not run all that fast. He is durable; he has no history of injuries. He has no reputation as a malcontent or a problem in the locker room. Summary: A good solid player who is young and might have a lot of improvement left in him - - assuming he does not come down with a case of "fat wallet syndrome". But I doubt he'll serve out this entire contract in Buffalo without several restructurings because he's not worth this kind of cap number. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-03-2007, 01:13 AM	#6
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 53 Posts: 3,048	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill He will single handedly lead you to the Promised Land. The Promised Land being a new restaurant near Orchard Park. Ha Ha. I amuse myself. He played overweight his whole time here except for last year when he was auditioning to leave. If they can keep his weight down and he doesn't just say "I'm rich, biatch" and laze it up, he could be average. In fairness, he is a bulldozer at straight ahead run blocking. As good as anyone else last year. For more see the other Dockery post. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

03-03-2007, 01:14 AM	#7
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill Now, these are my views and my views only but I am completely serious. Dock was an all-american at Texas and a very shrewd (for us) third round pick. At the end of last year, he was probably the 5th most talented lineman on the Redskins. He was the second best guard. His career started a little shaky under Spurrier and even under Gibbs he had a tendency to get flagged for false starts. He really started to turn the corner in '05. It seemed that he started to play his size. In '06 he worked hard in the offseason and he blossomed even more. If he continues to work hard, he definitely has the gifts to be a very good lineman for many years. He definitely has upside. Where I would worry.... I can remember several occasions in goal line packages where they ran behind him and could not get in. It was very surprising because you would think at his size, a goal line play would be automatic. However, when he is pulling, get out of the way.

03-03-2007, 01:17 AM	#8
Questfor31 Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 32	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill That's what I was afraid of when I saw Steve Hutchinson money being thrown at this guy. The Bills just signed one of their own free agents, DE Chris Kelsay to a ridiculouosly generous contract. Kelsey will make $5.4 mil per season. He plays on the right side and shares snaps with another DE. Our Pro Bowler Aaron Schobel signed a contract last year paying him $3.8 mil and he carries these other guys. He had 15 sacks last year, Kelsay had 5.5. I guess we'll find out if Dockery's worth it. The Bills line was horrible last year so anything should be an improvement. __________________ Questfor31 My journey to visit all 31 NFL stadiums NFL Stadium Reviews - Buffalo Bills Fan Check out my visit to FedEx Field at: http://www.nflfootballstadiums.com/FedEx-Field.htm

03-03-2007, 01:19 AM	#9
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill he's got potential, but he's well overpaid and he was the worst starting lineman we had... I never really liked him, but hes very big and strong... just alot of false starts and questionable technique... I don't know who you guys had that he's replacing... he may be worth being excited about... __________________ I am the brute squad.

03-03-2007, 01:20 AM	#10
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill we just overpaid for london fletcher, too... I just hope he produces and helps our struggling run D and lets other people play their positions more... __________________ I am the brute squad.

03-03-2007, 01:27 AM	#13
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill I just say that cause 5 mil/yr for 5 years when youre 31 is alot.. is he going to be worth 5 mil in 2 years? we set ourselves up to eat dead cap alot... __________________ I am the brute squad.

03-03-2007, 01:30 AM	#14
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 35 Posts: 14,167	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill he is scheduled to make 12.5 mill of that in the next 2 years __________________ https://open.spotify.com/artist/1NG9zNxqMP8cYNP72QqUQT Shameless self-promotion. It is what it is.

03-03-2007, 01:33 AM	#15
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: Tell me about Derrick Dockery - new Buffalo Bill I wonder if the Bills are replacing Gandy... I'd consider picking him up. I bet he'd come cheap and probably fit in our system a little better... anyone know much about him? __________________ I am the brute squad.

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