What is your main gripe with the proposed Briggs deal?

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

simply put, he takes up too much cap space. I dont feel comfortable paying any defensive player that much money, the only 2 positions I do are QB and LT. Look at the Pats, they dont sign huge long term contracts with big bonuses, and they are considered to be the top contender next year because they are solid at every position.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree but it just seems like some people keep trumpeting this idea of trading down like it's a simple thing to do.

Personally I'd rather hold on to the #6 pick too and see what shakes out on draft day.

I think people are generally working under the assumption that one of the guys available to us at 6 is going to be a very in-demand prospect.

Jamarcus Russell is loved because he's huge and has a cannon arm
Calvin Johnson is loved for obvious reasons
Joe Thomas is thought to be the only franchise T in the draft
Brady Quinn looks real good to QB-hungry teams
Adrian Peterson has crazy RB talent

Given the needs of the teams in the top 5, there's a good chance one of those guys falls to 6. I think people are assuming one of them will be there for us, and that someone will want them. I think chances are, we'll be fielding a couple offers.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I agree with this, but it becomes a lot more likely to happen if Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson were sitting there at 6 when we're on the clock.

Which is why I can't understand why we'd make a move before we're actually on the clock. Who knows, we could get amazing value.

And besides, if given the choice between Briggs and the #31, and standing pat at #6 and picking, I'd choose standing pat and picking at #6. Okoye would fill a much bigger need for us than Briggs does.

I agree.
Unless the deal is UNBELIEVABLE, we wait until were on the clock! This deal is not.............that

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think people are generally working under the assumption that one of the guys available to us at 6 is going to be a very in-demand prospect.

Jamarcus Russell is loved because he's huge and has a cannon arm
Calvin Johnson is loved for obvious reasons
Joe Thomas is thought to be the only franchise T in the draft
Brady Quinn looks real good to QB-hungry teams
Adrian Peterson has crazy RB talent

Given the needs of the teams in the top 5, there's a good chance one of those guys falls to 6. I think people are assuming one of them will be there for us, and that someone will want them. I think chances are, we'll be fielding a couple offers.

Good summary of the marquee players that other GMs could fall in love with enough to cough up some picks. I think the Cards are the wild card in all this, but they may field offers to move back too. Minnesota is an interesting scenario too, they might want to move up a few spots to get quinn.
Overall, we're not in great shape at #6 because most teams will know we're not seriously interested in these guys, or teams interested in these guys will want to move up higher than 6.

If CJ were to fall, maybe we'd take him, but that's unlikely he'd slip to 6. Now that Denver signed Bly, they may not be in the running for the 6 pick. Houston might be a possibility, but to move up 2 spots we're not going to get a lot of picks from them. We'd be lucky to get a 2nd.

[T.O.Killa]

At first I did not like this deal, but after I thought about it I did not hate it as bad. We would have a pro bowl linebacker, behind Carter and it might solidify that side against the run. It would also free Carter up to rush the passer more. For them to make this deal, I think we should insist that they take Rocky and give us a second rounder. If we don't we will destroy him anyway.

[firstdown]

MY biggest gripe is another Briggs thread about the same stuff.LOl

[diehardskin2982]

My biggest gripe is that there is so much u can do with that 6th pick I can't understand why someone in their right mind would trade it a month before draft day! For a F@#%ing big name player who most likely will not fit in our system. Just let me be the gm for one season, I'd have a championship team. This IS SO FRUSTRATING, I might pickett in front of Redskins Park... Anyone with me?

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Briggs doesn't come close to filling a real need and unlike CJ, if he were brought in, wouldn't make the big plays as often to warrant the cost of his contract. Plus if it were to go through, I don't think it's unfair, but maybe stretching it a bit, to say that Rocky was one of the most wasteful use of trading multiple picks for one pick since ricky williams. He barely saw the field last year yet when he did he was making plays, but despite that they r willing to give up our high 1st and a contract equaling almost as much as Washington's and Fletcher's contracts combined for a player that has been very productive but so far only in a very different type of defensive set. If Briggs were a DE this would definitely be worth it, but as it stands LB is already the defense's strongest group.
For once the Skins actually have some bargaining power with their first round pick and that pick could carry a lot of value come draft day if one of a couple players falls to them so I hope they atleast wait until draft day to make a trade decision.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

This IS SO FRUSTRATING, I might pickett in front of Redskins Park... Anyone with me?

I was thinking of something along similiar lines: if we makes this trade, start a riot at the Draft Day party at FedEx when the Bears make the 6th pick, and then come back for more when we make the 31st.*





*AMD is not responsible for any riots that actually occur at the Redskins Darft Day party.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

My biggest gripe is that there is so much u can do with that 6th pick I can't understand why someone in their right mind would trade it a month before draft day! For a F@#%ing big name player who most likely will not fit in our system. Just let me be the gm for one season, I'd have a championship team. This IS SO FRUSTRATING, I might pickett in front of Redskins Park... Anyone with me?

I'm with you. If I lived in town, I would be right outside of Redskin Park. What the hell is going on? Have these executives lost their freaking minds! At first I thought this was just a bad rumor, fabricated by RosenNUTS. It looks like the Redskin executives have seriously considered this crap. DON'T DO IT! Wait until draft day and wheel and deal when other teams start to panic and feel they are going to miss out on a certain player. Freaking idiots! Make the Redskin organization the laughing stock of the league.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

At first I did not like this deal, but after I thought about it I did not hate it as bad. We would have a pro bowl linebacker, behind Carter and it might solidify that side against the run. It would also free Carter up to rush the passer more. For them to make this deal, I think we should insist that they take Rocky and give us a second rounder. If we don't we will destroy him anyway.

The problem is Carter can't hold up against the run anyway cause he's too small. So Briggs is going to be trying to cover his ass. Remember the last game of the season? Tiki ran for 234 yards. And most of it was right over
Carter getting pushed around by 50 year old Bob Whitfield. Carter needs to be only playing on passing downs. But that's another whole nother subject.

[SmootSmack]

What about Rocky? Honestly, that's my only true concern. The dollars aren't really an issue and if Bly can get $18 million guaranteed then Briggs can get $20 million. And I think this draft is deep enough on the line that we can still get help at #31

But, we moved up to draft Rocky and then spent money on Fletch. So what's the plan with them? Is Rocky already on the outs? Is he being groomed as the heir apparent at MLB? Is this part of GWill's "everyone's a starter philosophy"

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

My biggest gripe is that there is so much u can do with that 6th pick I can't understand why someone in their right mind would trade it a month before draft day! For a F@#%ing big name player who most likely will not fit in our system. Just let me be the gm for one season, I'd have a championship team. This IS SO FRUSTRATING, I might pickett in front of Redskins Park... Anyone with me?

I'm with you bro. You never know who is going to drop on draft day. It makes no damn sense what so ever. Gibbs, Vinny, and Dan just don't have a clue what the hell they are doing. If this goes through my faith w/ Gibbs is in the toilet.

[CallMeGreen]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I hope people realize that trading down is no guarantee.

Exactly true. But, while picking at #6 statistically might have better odds of picking a winner, that too is no guarantee.

My thinking says trading down has two distinct advantages:

1. Several positions of need. Leaving the gap (in pick chances) open from the #6 pick until their next pick in Round 5 doesn't help fill those positions of need.

2. Risk averaging. By getting several, albeit lower, picks, the cost of the risk incurred is spread out over those several picks. With one selection at 6 (or 31 if it comes to pass), #6 becomes an all-or-nothing choice. To have the holes we have, and then potentially select a DUD at 6 means another wasted draft opportunity.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about Rocky? Honestly, that's my only true concern. The dollars aren't really an issue and if Bly can get $18 million guaranteed then Briggs can get $20 million. And I think this draft is deep enough on the line that we can still get help at #31

But, we moved up to draft Rocky and then spent money on Fletch. So what's the plan with them? Is Rocky already on the outs? Is he being groomed as the heir apparent at MLB? Is this part of GWill's "everyone's a starter philosophy"

That's the main thing that irks me about this deal too.

Someone obviously had high hopes for Rocky last year... so did we really whiff that badly on him or is this simply another case of this FO falling in love with a big name FA?