What's with the Ref. in the booth

rickmmrr · 09-13-2004, 12:53 PM

The skins hired a retired referee to assist coach gibbs in challenging bad calls. What was his problem when Brunell got the first down on the one yard line?

bridaman51 · 09-13-2004, 12:54 PM

yeah I reall thought he would challenge that. It was so clear, I hope he does better as the season goes on.

MTK · 09-13-2004, 12:56 PM

For whatever reason he advised Gibbs to not challenge it. Maybe he didn't have the same angle that we saw on TV, that's about the only reason I can think of because it was pretty clear that it was a first down all the way.

What was up with that spot from the refs anyway?? Just horrible.

bridaman51 · 09-13-2004, 12:58 PM

yeah the refs were not ontop of that one for sure. So he did advise them not to challenge it. I was thinking maybe he did not really see it and said nothing at all (well atleast that is what i was hoping)

Big C · 09-13-2004, 01:05 PM

i dont know how many challenges we will see from gibbs this year, for some reason ithink he wont want to risk losing the timeout, unless its really, really evident or in the 4th quarter and is desperately needed.

SmootSmack · 09-13-2004, 01:08 PM

At the time (not knowing what the final result was going to be) did you guys think maybe we should have gone for it anyway on 4th down? I guess you always want to go for the sure points but I like the idea of sending a message with a "bold" decision like that

MTK · 09-13-2004, 01:13 PM

I liked the decision to take the points.

God forbid they went for it and got stopped, that could have really changed the momentum of the game.

rickmmrr · 09-13-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

i dont know how many challenges we will see from gibbs this year, for some reason ithink he wont want to risk losing the timeout, unless its really, really evident or in the 4th quarter and is desperately needed.

I think you're right. Gibbs doesn't want to loose any timeouts.

JoeRedskin · 09-13-2004, 01:24 PM

Also, I have read - on the Bucs forum for what it's worth - that Brunnell's elbow hit the turf with the ball short of the first down (in which case he is down). Did the TV replay show this?

As I was 4 rows from the top of the stadium, I don't think I had the best angle.

MTK · 09-13-2004, 01:24 PM

I'm pretty sure the replay showed his elbow hit the turf well past the marker.

bridaman51 · 09-13-2004, 01:41 PM

it defenitely did not hit the turf. I had a non redskin fan watching the game with me and even admitted that was horrible.

jbcjr14 · 09-13-2004, 01:45 PM

Taking the points was classic Gibbs in this situation. He was not going to take a chance for a momentum shift when he knew they were pounding the crap out of them.

d151b · 09-13-2004, 02:05 PM

i wish we would've gone for it! c'mon, we were at the two, behind the dirtbags..... c'mon GO FOR IT!

offiss · 09-13-2004, 02:26 PM

I don't know if hiring a x-ref is a good thing, #1, half these guy's are blind to begin with while they are active, I really don't want to know what the guy's vision is like after he retires?????

#2, I wonder if he would have some reservation's about alway's second guessing his buddies? Knowing the rules isn't really a big deal in the replay booth, being able to see is, anyone can watch a replay, it's not rocket science, the fact that he didn't challenge that spot at the goal line on the run by Brunnell, put's a red flag up for me, even if your not sure, challenge it any way, it's the first half take a shot, we could have overturned 2 play's, instead are inablity to get the call right, really helped the Buc's stay in the game, this can't happen again, hopefully Gibb's read's this guy the riot act.

CRT3 · 09-13-2004, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootsmack

At the time (not knowing what the final result was going to be) did you guys think maybe we should have gone for it anyway on 4th down? I guess you always want to go for the sure points but I like the idea of sending a message with a "bold" decision like that

Guess you weren't around for Gibbs I. NEVER TAKE POINTS OFF THE BOARD. This is so ingrained in the regulars that you did not hear one boo nor one chant to go for it. I agree. But the mark was bad and the challenge should have happened. So lesson one for the rookies of Gibbs II DON'T TAKE POINTS OFF THE BOARD!!!

09-13-2004, 01:05 PM	#5
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	i dont know how many challenges we will see from gibbs this year, for some reason ithink he wont want to risk losing the timeout, unless its really, really evident or in the 4th quarter and is desperately needed. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

09-13-2004, 01:08 PM	#6
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	At the time (not knowing what the final result was going to be) did you guys think maybe we should have gone for it anyway on 4th down? I guess you always want to go for the sure points but I like the idea of sending a message with a "bold" decision like that __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-13-2004, 01:45 PM	#12
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 54 Posts: 2,015	Taking the points was classic Gibbs in this situation. He was not going to take a chance for a momentum shift when he knew they were pounding the crap out of them. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

09-13-2004, 12:53 PM	#1
rickmmrr Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 395	What's with the Ref. in the booth The skins hired a retired referee to assist coach gibbs in challenging bad calls. What was his problem when Brunell got the first down on the one yard line?

09-13-2004, 12:54 PM	#2
bridaman51 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roanoke Virginia Age: 46 Posts: 335	yeah I reall thought he would challenge that. It was so clear, I hope he does better as the season goes on.

09-13-2004, 12:56 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	For whatever reason he advised Gibbs to not challenge it. Maybe he didn't have the same angle that we saw on TV, that's about the only reason I can think of because it was pretty clear that it was a first down all the way. What was up with that spot from the refs anyway?? Just horrible.

09-13-2004, 12:58 PM	#4
bridaman51 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roanoke Virginia Age: 46 Posts: 335	yeah the refs were not ontop of that one for sure. So he did advise them not to challenge it. I was thinking maybe he did not really see it and said nothing at all (well atleast that is what i was hoping)

09-13-2004, 01:13 PM	#7
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	I liked the decision to take the points. God forbid they went for it and got stopped, that could have really changed the momentum of the game.

09-13-2004, 01:24 PM	#9
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Also, I have read - on the Bucs forum for what it's worth - that Brunnell's elbow hit the turf with the ball short of the first down (in which case he is down). Did the TV replay show this? As I was 4 rows from the top of the stadium, I don't think I had the best angle.

09-13-2004, 01:41 PM	#11
bridaman51 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roanoke Virginia Age: 46 Posts: 335	it defenitely did not hit the turf. I had a non redskin fan watching the game with me and even admitted that was horrible.

09-13-2004, 02:05 PM	#13
d151b Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 157	i wish we would've gone for it! c'mon, we were at the two, behind the dirtbags..... c'mon GO FOR IT!

09-13-2004, 02:26 PM	#14
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	I don't know if hiring a x-ref is a good thing, #1, half these guy's are blind to begin with while they are active, I really don't want to know what the guy's vision is like after he retires????? #2, I wonder if he would have some reservation's about alway's second guessing his buddies? Knowing the rules isn't really a big deal in the replay booth, being able to see is, anyone can watch a replay, it's not rocket science, the fact that he didn't challenge that spot at the goal line on the run by Brunnell, put's a red flag up for me, even if your not sure, challenge it any way, it's the first half take a shot, we could have overturned 2 play's, instead are inablity to get the call right, really helped the Buc's stay in the game, this can't happen again, hopefully Gibb's read's this guy the riot act.

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