Free Scooter Libby

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am sort of tired of the Bush/Clinton comparisons. Everything is allways "well Bush did this" and "Clinton did that". They both suck in their own ways. I am over that. I feel like it is only a deflective thing anyways. In this case I genuinely feel Libby has gotten shafted and no one with the voice to do ti stood up and said "This is crap"

Excellent take and I completely agree.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Actually he was convicted on 4 counts, not 3. All stemming from one thing. His discussion with Russert.

The entire situation was simply bogus. To assert that politcs weren't the motivation here is absurd. Republicans didn't push this, Democrats did. If one looks at the case reasonably it really is very obvious that no one did anything illegal. Even Armitage didn't do anything illegal since Plame was not covered under the Shield laws. What sits badly with me is the millions of dollars spent persuing an investigation into a non-crime that by all appearances looks like a politcal hit job to catch someone in a "lie". Fitzgerald is a great prosecutor. It gives me shudders to think what he could pin on anyone when he can geta conviction on these types of counts when the only evidence is the testimony of one no less or more trustworthy source.

If he had really done something wrong then this conversation wouldn't even be going on. But it really seems very clear to me that he got screwed here. He took the fall for a non-crime that did not involve national security in any way. That is wrong.

His conversation with Russert was no doubt damning, but it wasn't the one and only thing that convicted him. There were numerous testimonies. He spoke to numerous people, some in the press and some not. (see Ari Fleischer)

But to your point, this is all political. And sure the Dems played a hand in some of this, but they didn't make Libby lie and they sure as hell didn't leak V. Plames' name to the press.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

His conversation with Russert was no doubt damning, but it wasn't the one and only thing that convicted him. There were numerous testimonies. He spoke to numerous people, some in the press and some not. (see Ari Fleischer)

But to your point, this is all political. And sure the Dems played a hand in some of this, but they didn't make Libby lie and they sure as hell didn't leak V. Plames' name to the press.

excellent take, and i completely agree

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Who's Scooter Libby?

lol
I'm a right wing, republican, gun toting, Bible believing guy and I say the guy could have just gone to prision and I would not have cared. All politics aside.

peace

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

His conversation with Russert was no doubt damning, but it wasn't the one and only thing that convicted him. There were numerous testimonies. He spoke to numerous people, some in the press and some not. (see Ari Fleischer)

But to your point, this is all political. And sure the Dems played a hand in some of this, but they didn't make Libby lie and they sure as hell didn't leak V. Plames' name to the press.

Libby didn't leak her name as well.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Libby didn't leak her name as well.

Well I know that, I was just saying.

Anyway, I'm done with talking about Scooter.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

His conversation with Russert was no doubt damning, but it wasn't the one and only thing that convicted him. There were numerous testimonies. He spoke to numerous people, some in the press and some not. (see Ari Fleischer)

But to your point, this is all political. And sure the Dems played a hand in some of this, but they didn't make Libby lie and they sure as hell didn't leak V. Plames' name to the press.

Umm yes that one conversation was the only thing he got convicted on. The rest of the testimony showed no discrepancies(sp?).

And
They sure as hell did. Armitage was is a card carrying member. He was the one who leaked the name. By the time Libby had conversations with anyone about Plame it was already in the wild.

[dmek25]

can anyone in the current administration admit they were wrong?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

can anyone in the current administration admit they were wrong?

Good question. I think it is one of their biggest problems. I know I would respect polticians, not just this administration, if they were simply more honest in their speaking. Not that they lie but a good example is John Kerry. The whole "flip flop" issue is retarded. It is one of a few main reasons he lost the election and I am pretty sure that had he just come out and said "Yeah I changed my mind. Initially I felt this way after careful deliberation. Then with new details and additonal council I have now decided that I was initially wrong." We all change our minds all the time and thinking that we don't understand that and can live with it was a major flaw. Not to just attack Kerry on that, it was just an example. Every single politician does it. They all try to couch their thoughts and actions as best as poltiically possible. It makes me think about the saying "The cover-up is always worse" Trying to conceal what you really think and do poltiically is so transparent to us. The Bush admin is made on that premise. That is their biggest problem.

[dmek25]

good point, and i agree. its not that the Bushies invented the lying, they just seem to have taken it to new heights

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

good point, and i agree. its not that the Bushies invented the lying, they just seem to have taken it to new heights

I actually don't think they take it to new heights, I just think they are not very good at it. That coupled with such transparency due to the internet and they can't win. I am pretty convinced it won't be much better under the next administration dem or rep. Times are a changing for polticians. Someday the polticians will figure it out.

[saden1]

So who in here is voting for Ron Paul? He's the most honest and forward man running for the presidency.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by saden1

So who in here is voting for Ron Paul? He's the most honest and forward man running for the presidency.

Why do you say he's the most honest? I think he's a good man though.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

I've lost more time of my life in this thread then Libby did time in Jail.

lol

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Why do you say he's the most honest? I think he's a good man though.

Because he is a constitutionalist and his voting record shows it. Because he serves in congress and practices medicine when he goes back home. Because when he speaks you don't see the usual symptoms of liar (facial expressions, nervous ticks and flat out acting). Because he wants to reduce the power of the government.