Does Brandon Lloyd REALLY deserve all this hate?

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by djdunick

Yes Lloyd deserves every bit of hate. He has received an enormous amount of money and has done nothing to earn it.

The Skins front office also deserves a lot of hate for this one. Both Gibbs and Cerrato. Gibbs for thinking he could change this guy and Cerrato for once again going back to his old stomping grounds of the 49'ers. I think Cerrato still believes it's 1989 and the 49'ers are defending SB champs and they have great players. We keep getting burned with 49er problems like Lloyd and who can forget Stubblefield (Stubbletoe) another bust from SF.

We need a GM and that's the bottom line.

I kinda like Andre Carter though

[mheisig]

I can't believe there's another thread on the pros/cons of Brandon Lloyd.

I can't believe I just contributed to another thread on Brandon Lloyd...

[SouperMeister]

I just hope that Gibbs gave Lloyd an ultimatum this time - start behaving like a pro or your career here (and probably elsewhere) will be in jeopardy. The shame of it is that Lloyd may have physical gifts greater than any of our other WRs. He is basically the Jeff George of wide receivers.

[djdunick]

Skinsnut,

Okay so there was one diamond in the rough as Carter has improved this season but still he isn't worth all the money we're paying him but at least he seems to have devloped into a solid end. Not spectacular but solid.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I suppose Deion Branch and David Givens not panning out is Gibbs' and Campbell's fault too right? Nothing to do with the hall of fame quarterback they have up there.

If you think Lloyd would last 10 minutes on the Colts or Pats you are out of your mind. If it wasn't for that boondoggle of a signing bonus he would have been cut from this team last year.

Well you kind of answered it for me, if it's not Gibbs fault then who? Gibbs is in charge of surrounding his WR's with quality players who can compliment their talents not hold them back. I saw and interview with S. Moss you could see he's fit to be tied, he's basically saying there is nothing they can do if they are not thrown the ball.

It's obvious you don't know a whole lot about the game, tell me how do you come to the conclusion that Branch and Givens were products of their QB, which is saying the QB made the WR's, and say Lloyd wouldn't obtain the same success if he had HOF QB's throwing him the ball? Wow your all over the place!


Whats your opinion on the fact that none of our WR's have caught a TD half way through the season? I guess all of our WR's are garbage even though Moss and EL are proven game breakers. Who's fault is that, Lloyds?

[BleedBurgundy]

All other things aside, Lloyd isn't going to be a Redskin at the beginning of next year so i really don't care. Unless the coaches are bipolar he must deserve what he's getting. So. Very. Tired.

[Bill B]

For any of you that say that the qb is the one to blame and that Brandon Llyod gets open on a regular basis when in the game, please read the following qoute from Santana Moss on Jason Campbell...

"It's going to come," Santana Moss said. "When a pass is covered, you don't throw it. Jason doesn't throw at guys that are covered."

So with that coming from an actually WR on the field lets stop with the defensive argument that Jason Campbell has not been able to find Brandon Llyod. Basically what Moss is saying is that Campbell is not going to just throw it up there and let his receivers win a jump ball. Recievers in this system are going to have run their routes to precision and Campbell will get the ball to them accordingly if they are open. Unfortunately this is not Brandon Llyod's forte and will seal his fate this offseason.

In OK shape so far*-*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

[SmootSmack]

Some would argue that you should throw it even if the receiver is covered. Let the receiver make a play, or at least try to force a defensive pass interference.

Usually you only do that though if you have Moss...Randy Moss.

[70Chip]

I think if you can throw it to a spot where only the receiver can make the play, it is certainly preferable to taking a sack. I'd like him to take more of these calculated risks. The sideline doesn't play for the other team, so if you aren't throwing over the middle, you can let it fly a little more. He seems to only throw to guys that have big seperation which leads to Brunellism (holding the ball too long).

[JWsleep]

I think it's ok to bring along JC slowly--but even if he's "hand-cuffed" he still should hit the things they're asking him to. If he does, they'll get more confidence in calling those plays.

But this week, I think we basically sacrificed balance in the pass game to establish CP and the run. That's important--we need to be able to run. But it should set up more stuff for JC. I hope they attend to that more this week, as last week was all about the run in practice, and it paid off. NOW GET THAT BALANCE!

As for Lloyd, he's got to get on the same page as everyone else--he's not good enough to demand separate treatment, a la Riggins or Manley.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well you kind of answered it for me, if it's not Gibbs fault then who? Gibbs is in charge of surrounding his WR's with quality players who can compliment their talents not hold them back. I saw and interview with S. Moss you could see he's fit to be tied, he's basically saying there is nothing they can do if they are not thrown the ball.

It's obvious you don't know a whole lot about the game, tell me how do you come to the conclusion that Branch and Givens were products of their QB, which is saying the QB made the WR's, and say Lloyd wouldn't obtain the same success if he had HOF QB's throwing him the ball? Wow your all over the place!

Whats your opinion on the fact that none of our WR's have caught a TD half way through the season? I guess all of our WR's are garbage even though Moss and EL are proven game breakers. Who's fault is that, Lloyds?

Well it's obvious why everybody hates you. You are rude and your posts make no sense. I use my own method called statistical analysis to come to my conclusions. One, I look at the stats Branch and Givens posted in the Pats system. Two, I compare this to their stats after leaving. My conclusion was that their stats after leaving were worse - based on the numbers being lower - and that therefore it isn't necessarily Gibbs' fault that Patton underperformed in our system as well. Brady makes people look better than they actually are. You argued that Patton's failures here are evidence that Lloyd could succeed as well. I argued that Patriots receivers have typically fared worse after leaving that system, and that we can't glean anything about Lloyd based on Patton's numbers. Disagree if you will, but is it necessary to question my football knowledge?

The second point I was making was that Lloyd isn't the type of player who would make it through training camp on either team's roster for multiple reasons. Yes he would benefit from having Brady throw him the ball, as would any receiver, but he would never be awarded that opportunity because of his attitude and lack of discipline. Gibbs perhaps should be criticized for acquiring him, but if you read the title of this thread and the other posts you will see that this isn't one of the million threads arguing that we need a GM, it's questioning why fans are so hard on Lloyd.

Let's make a final deal. I will study football hard and try to get to your level of knowledge, and you can work on your English language skills. I am an English teacher by trade, and my foreign students have never uttered anything as nonsensical as "I saw and interview with S. Moss you could see he's fit to be tied." PM me and I can recommend some great ESL textbooks for you. With hard work you can improve too! SEE YOU!

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

should have been cut by now. He done nothing to deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Well it's obvious why everybody hates you. You are rude and your posts make no sense. I use my own method called statistical analysis to come to my conclusions. One, I look at the stats Branch and Givens posted in the Pats system. Two, I compare this to their stats after leaving. My conclusion was that their stats after leaving were worse - based on the numbers being lower - and that therefore it isn't necessarily Gibbs' fault that Patton underperformed in our system as well. Brady makes people look better than they actually are. You argued that Patton's failures here are evidence that Lloyd could succeed as well. I argued that Patriots receivers have typically fared worse after leaving that system, and that we can't glean anything about Lloyd based on Patton's numbers. Disagree if you will, but is it necessary to question my football knowledge?

The second point I was making was that Lloyd isn't the type of player who would make it through training camp on either team's roster for multiple reasons. Yes he would benefit from having Brady throw him the ball, as would any receiver, but he would never be awarded that opportunity because of his attitude and lack of discipline. Gibbs perhaps should be criticized for acquiring him, but if you read the title of this thread and the other posts you will see that this isn't one of the million threads arguing that we need a GM, it's questioning why fans are so hard on Lloyd.

Let's make a final deal. I will study football hard and try to get to your level of knowledge, and you can work on your English language skills. I am an English teacher by trade, and my foreign students have never uttered anything as nonsensical as "I saw and interview with S. Moss you could see he's fit to be tied." PM me and I can recommend some great ESL textbooks for you. With hard work you can improve too! SEE YOU!

Well you can't understand what you are watching I wouldn't expect you to understand what you are hearing either.

Yup you know Lloyd would never make it with either of those teams because of attitude and work ethic? Even though he worked his tail off in the off season, perhaps he's peeved because he did work his tail off for nothing?

Lets see what players with attitudes that would never make it with these teams? Lets just through Randy Moss out there for starters, let me know how he's making out this season so far? Corey Dillon had an attitude with the Bengals I think he worked out OK for the Pats, how about a know body you know like Wes Welker, who you ask? Well we were saying who before he arrived on a real team, now every one knows who he is don't they? Yup it's all Lloyds fault Gibbs has no fault in the failured offense that is ours?

You teach foreign students? That may be the problem your probably watching soccer on Sunday?

[SmootSmack]

Brandon Lloyd "worked his tail off" getting bigger in the offseason, he wasn't working with any teammates (other than Springs), especially Campbell to improve his knowledge of the offense. And for most of training camp, wasn't he spending it on the sidelines with shin splints?

Actually, I must say I'm kind of surprised Offiss hasn't thrown the "steroids accusation" Lloyd's way. Didn't he use it on Portis when he bulked up?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Brandon Lloyd "worked his tail off" getting bigger in the offseason, he wasn't working with any teammates (other than Springs), especially Campbell to improve his knowledge of the offense. And for most of training camp, wasn't he spending it on the sidelines with shin splints?

Actually, I must say I'm kind of surprised Offiss hasn't thrown the "steroids accusation" Lloyd's way. Didn't he use it on Portis when he bulked up?

You know Lloyd sure looked good physically coming in, it usually means exactly that, but for what ever reason I didn't really give him much thought, could be?

Physically he worked, your probably right on the football end though.

On the Portis note I missed a lot of the game Sunday saw bits and pieces and the highlights, it looked to me like Portis slimmed down did anyone else notice that as well?