Bigger waste of money?

Redskins_P · 10-11-2004, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ZackMills

have you seen any improvement in this team since week one?

no, but I don't think you can blame that on Gibbs.....the players are the ones executing the plays not the coaches.

Brunell isn't getting it done. Simple and plain

redrock-skins · 10-11-2004, 12:27 AM

Joe Gibbs did not fumble the ball that the Ravens ran in for a score. Joe Gibbs did not fall for a fake to Deion. That was an obvious fake I saw coming the second I saw Deion back there.

VTSkins897 · 10-11-2004, 12:29 AM

i understand his frustration. don't think that we're a 1-4 team back there. i mean who'd have thought that the defense would be the only thing keepin us in the game. heck, if spurrier hadn't quit and had gregg williams, we could maybe have won a game or 2 more. plus... portis def would fit in that system i think. oh well though.

Redskins_P · 10-11-2004, 12:31 AM

Great another "fire Gibbs", "the game has passed Gibb's by" post.....I'm not wasting my time here..

jthor99 · 10-11-2004, 12:43 AM

this thread is bullshit if the person who posted this actaully had a clue what they were talking about football they would have never posted it. Look for all you gibbs hater s hes a fantastic coach but god for bid he needs time, he needs his guys and bottom line right now he dosent have them. Brunell looked terrible and right now hes a major waste of money. But ramsey is the guy we should key on hes the future we have nothing else to lose we should put him in. I really wish people would learn there football and stop trashing gibbs

Redskins_P · 10-11-2004, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jthor99

this thread is bullshit if the person who posted this actaully had a clue what they were talking about football they would have never posted it. Look for all you gibbs hater s hes a fantastic coach but god for bid he needs time, he needs his guys and bottom line right now he dosent have them. Brunell looked terrible and right now hes a major waste of money. But ramsey is the guy we should key on hes the future we have nothing else to lose we should put him in. I really wish people would learn there football and stop trashing gibbs

great post jthor99, thank you

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-11-2004, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jthor99

this thread is bullshit if the person who posted this actaully had a clue what they were talking about football they would have never posted it. Look for all you gibbs hater s hes a fantastic coach but god for bid he needs time, he needs his guys and bottom line right now he dosent have them. Brunell looked terrible and right now hes a major waste of money. But ramsey is the guy we should key on hes the future we have nothing else to lose we should put him in. I really wish people would learn there football and stop trashing gibbs

I understand the frustration and agree with some of your comments, but even in the face of blasphemy (lol), let's keep it to respectful, even if strong, disagreements.

htownskinfan · 10-11-2004, 12:48 AM

i love gibbs,but it was his idea to give a washed up qb a bunch of money which we didnt have to do when most every skin fan i know wanted ramsey to start anyway

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-11-2004, 12:52 AM

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is okay to strongly disagree with what someone says, but allowing any comments/suggestions to be posted is important to this site.

IMO, Gibbs is our answer, will turn this thing around, and will bring us a Lombardi trophy, but the 1-4 start isn't encouraging and if his name were not Gibbs, a lot of people would be calling for his head (not just Snyder). Gibbs' coaching staff hasn't improved the offense, the O-line, the passing game, the run game, etc. Gibbs and Co. have produced four straight losses.

So, even though I STRONGLY disagree with the post, there is justification for frustration and lots of room for criticism. Vince Lombardi, who just so happens to be a HOF coach who coached here in D.C. after his first tour in Green Bay, wasn't successful. So, it's not crazy to broach the question of whether the game has passed Gibbs by.

After week 1, 2, or 3, it's out of left field to question Gibbs, but 30% through the season, it's not. Again, I STRONGLY disagree with the original post, but the poster doesn't deserved to be trashed.

illdefined · 10-11-2004, 12:59 AM

just saw this thread, have no idea how it even got this far. Gibbs felt his system would be better run by a vet like Brunell, especially this season. as bad as the offense has picked up the Gibbs system, its a good bet Ramsey would have fared even worse. lest you forget preseason. Brunell is obviously the biggest waste of money cuz we paid longterm money (he's already 34) for being a shortterm solution. and a flawed one at that. Gibbs could coach from a wheelchair. and would. lay off the guy, just an uninformed post.

x44x · 10-11-2004, 01:02 AM

gibbs was 0-5 the 1st time around. hes doing better this time. 6th game coming up, this is where we start winning week after week.

SmootSmack · 10-11-2004, 02:11 AM

Gibbs is not the problem. And there are few, if any, coaches who would be better than Gibbs. He's earned the right to go through some growing pains. He's proven in the past he can climb out of a hole and turn the Skins into winners. As has been said repeatedly here, he's a Hall of Fame coach and no amount of money is too much for him.

If he told Snyder "I want $5 million a year, your house, the keys to your mercedes, and I wanna bang your wife every Thursday" Well then that's what Joe Gibbs gets

Brunell on the other hand...sigh

bedlamVR · 10-11-2004, 03:13 AM

It is amazing people are always bashing Snyder for getting rid of HC etc etc but he is a fan and fans apparently are calling for the head of the HOF coach in week 5 in his first year. Who can be right.

Brunell however is a big problem I hated this move origonally and we effectivly out bid ourselves chasing him . Had we waited him out maybe we might have lost out but equally we could have picked up after the Jags cut him for an awful lot less money. Also i hate to say it but i kind of wish we had gone for Warner but choices were made at the time.

That Guy · 10-11-2004, 06:21 AM

at the time i woul d have never wanted warner... he's unafraid of throwing deep though, but i'm not sure his personality would have meshed as well with gibbs (which is probably the main reason brunell got the job)... you know, the whole gibbs loves god, warner has a deal with satan thing would have made things a bit difficult around here...

everyone thinks brunell is overpaid... way overpaid.

Other teams that have one win:
packers (playoffs)
titans (playoffs)
panthers (Super bowl)
chiefs (playoffs)
bengals (8-8)

we're not alone in the talented team doing crappy department, and all the above clubs have what are regarded as good coaches (playoffs, SBs, winning records etc)... sh*t happens, this year, once again, its happening to us, but there's still a light at the end of the tunnel and i don't have any doubt, but he has been a bit slow adjusting thusfar...

ZackMills · 10-11-2004, 08:24 AM

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gibbs was 0-5 the 1st time around. hes doing better this time. 6th game coming up, this is where we start winning week after week.

I really wish people would stop bringing that up. Just because we went 0-5 his first tenure doesnt mean were gonna do it again. Plus, that was when he was a rookie coach, he's not a rookie coach, he's a HOF coach, so why doesnt he hit the ground running if he's so great, a la Bill Parcells?

10-11-2004, 02:11 AM	#27
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Gibbs is not the problem. And there are few, if any, coaches who would be better than Gibbs. He's earned the right to go through some growing pains. He's proven in the past he can climb out of a hole and turn the Skins into winners. As has been said repeatedly here, he's a Hall of Fame coach and no amount of money is too much for him. If he told Snyder "I want $5 million a year, your house, the keys to your mercedes, and I wanna bang your wife every Thursday" Well then that's what Joe Gibbs gets Brunell on the other hand...sigh __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-11-2004, 12:27 AM	#17
redrock-skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 783	Joe Gibbs did not fumble the ball that the Ravens ran in for a score. Joe Gibbs did not fall for a fake to Deion. That was an obvious fake I saw coming the second I saw Deion back there.

10-11-2004, 12:29 AM	#18
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 41 Posts: 890	i understand his frustration. don't think that we're a 1-4 team back there. i mean who'd have thought that the defense would be the only thing keepin us in the game. heck, if spurrier hadn't quit and had gregg williams, we could maybe have won a game or 2 more. plus... portis def would fit in that system i think. oh well though.

10-11-2004, 12:31 AM	#19
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Great another "fire Gibbs", "the game has passed Gibb's by" post.....I'm not wasting my time here..

10-11-2004, 12:43 AM	#20
jthor99 Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 17	this thread is bullshit if the person who posted this actaully had a clue what they were talking about football they would have never posted it. Look for all you gibbs hater s hes a fantastic coach but god for bid he needs time, he needs his guys and bottom line right now he dosent have them. Brunell looked terrible and right now hes a major waste of money. But ramsey is the guy we should key on hes the future we have nothing else to lose we should put him in. I really wish people would learn there football and stop trashing gibbs

10-11-2004, 12:48 AM	#23
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 62 Posts: 4,909	i love gibbs,but it was his idea to give a washed up qb a bunch of money which we didnt have to do when most every skin fan i know wanted ramsey to start anyway

10-11-2004, 12:52 AM	#24
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is okay to strongly disagree with what someone says, but allowing any comments/suggestions to be posted is important to this site. IMO, Gibbs is our answer, will turn this thing around, and will bring us a Lombardi trophy, but the 1-4 start isn't encouraging and if his name were not Gibbs, a lot of people would be calling for his head (not just Snyder). Gibbs' coaching staff hasn't improved the offense, the O-line, the passing game, the run game, etc. Gibbs and Co. have produced four straight losses. So, even though I STRONGLY disagree with the post, there is justification for frustration and lots of room for criticism. Vince Lombardi, who just so happens to be a HOF coach who coached here in D.C. after his first tour in Green Bay, wasn't successful. So, it's not crazy to broach the question of whether the game has passed Gibbs by. After week 1, 2, or 3, it's out of left field to question Gibbs, but 30% through the season, it's not. Again, I STRONGLY disagree with the original post, but the poster doesn't deserved to be trashed.

10-11-2004, 12:59 AM	#25
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	just saw this thread, have no idea how it even got this far. Gibbs felt his system would be better run by a vet like Brunell, especially this season. as bad as the offense has picked up the Gibbs system, its a good bet Ramsey would have fared even worse. lest you forget preseason. Brunell is obviously the biggest waste of money cuz we paid longterm money (he's already 34) for being a shortterm solution. and a flawed one at that. Gibbs could coach from a wheelchair. and would. lay off the guy, just an uninformed post.

10-11-2004, 01:02 AM	#26
x44x Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk Virginia Age: 49 Posts: 211	gibbs was 0-5 the 1st time around. hes doing better this time. 6th game coming up, this is where we start winning week after week.

10-11-2004, 03:13 AM	#28
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	It is amazing people are always bashing Snyder for getting rid of HC etc etc but he is a fan and fans apparently are calling for the head of the HOF coach in week 5 in his first year. Who can be right. Brunell however is a big problem I hated this move origonally and we effectivly out bid ourselves chasing him . Had we waited him out maybe we might have lost out but equally we could have picked up after the Jags cut him for an awful lot less money. Also i hate to say it but i kind of wish we had gone for Warner but choices were made at the time.

10-11-2004, 06:21 AM	#29
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	at the time i woul d have never wanted warner... he's unafraid of throwing deep though, but i'm not sure his personality would have meshed as well with gibbs (which is probably the main reason brunell got the job)... you know, the whole gibbs loves god, warner has a deal with satan thing would have made things a bit difficult around here... everyone thinks brunell is overpaid... way overpaid. Other teams that have one win: packers (playoffs) titans (playoffs) panthers (Super bowl) chiefs (playoffs) bengals (8-8) we're not alone in the talented team doing crappy department, and all the above clubs have what are regarded as good coaches (playoffs, SBs, winning records etc)... sh*t happens, this year, once again, its happening to us, but there's still a light at the end of the tunnel and i don't have any doubt, but he has been a bit slow adjusting thusfar...

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