If Not Joe, Then Who?

Old School · 12-05-2007, 09:43 AM

Williams was brought in here to replace Gibbs when he walked away. No reason to change that now.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 12-05-2007, 11:59 AM

Here are my thoughts on this, first and foremost IF Gibbs decides to leave the sidelines he must move into the front office as GM/President. Snyder should do little more than sign checks. Cerrato must be let go. Gibbs needs to bring in any front office staff he requests. With the position of managing the franchise's long term stability and not worrying about weekly Wins & Losses he will avoid the poor personnel decisions made over the last few years.

Our coaching choice should defintely not be Cowher. He had a good run in Pittsburgh, although not particiularly good in the playoffs. Big name for his second go round, I don't think we should go down that path, plus he will likely want total control. I don't think Russ Grimm should be the choice either. Someone else mentioned us "reaching for links to the glory days" and I agree, we should bring in fresh blood rather than go with Grimm.

I believe it is time for a new Head Coach, a defensive one. I think GW and Saunders are pretty full of themselves and their systems, but it hasn't turned into much sucess nor are we seeing CONSISTENT improvement in the systems. GWs defense has done fairly well statistically, but the second half breakdowns game after game are a major concern and show a major coaching flaw. IMO what this indicates is good preparation going into the game but the ability to "think on your feet" and make in-game adjustments is lacking. I'm also not a big fan of the Cover 2. The only dominant Cover 2 or Tampa 2 defenses that I can recall was the SB Tampa team. That team had great athletes and could generate pressure from the front four. Indy's Cover 2 has played well in spots but prior to the playoffs last year was horrible. We need to make sure our defense is strong, because in late Nov. & December in the NFC East the elements can limit an offense severely and the D must sometimes carry us.

Our offense has also had it's issues with second half adjustments, and the Lloyd and Randel-El acquistions were 100% Saunders fault. Our second half playcalling has been poor at best. If the playcalling is all Saunders then we need to let him go, but if it is a hybrid of Gibbs and Saunders then I believe he should have a year with total offensive control. Prior to coming to DC his offenses were consistently ranked in the top 5 in the NFL. In KC he didn't have any outstanding players other than Gonzalez and the left side of the OL, no great receivers and Priest Holmes was more of a product of the system. So if the current offense is a case of "too many cooks in the kitchen" He should stay on as OC. If he can't accept that then bring in a new OC that the new coach and Gibbs pick.

My opinion would be to bring in a new head coach preferably a successful NFL assistant. Garrett is the hot name out there, but he is a Cowboy and he won't leave Dallas for DC, nor do I want him here. The coach I would like to see is Ron Rivera. He had successful defenses in Chicago from 2004-2006 and you see how they're doing this year without him. He's currently a LB coach in San Diego. He is a 4-3 guy, but is learning the 3-4 from Ted Cotrell. He got shafted in the coaching "merry-go-round" last year. We could bring him in and give Saunders one year of complete control to see if our Offense improves. If so then Saunders stays as OC, if not fire him and bring in a new OC in Rivera's second year.

SFREDSKIN · 12-05-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The coach I would like to see is Ron Rivera. He had successful defenses in Chicago from 2004-2006 and you see how they're doing this year without him. He's currently a LB coach in San Diego. He is a 4-3 guy, but is learning the 3-4 from Ted Cotrell. He got shafted in the coaching "merry-go-round" last year. We could bring him in and give Saunders one year of complete control to see if our Offense improves. If so then Saunders stays as OC, if not fire him and bring in a new OC in Rivera's second year.

Ron Rivera is a good choice, so would Mike Singletary now coaching for the Forty Niners.

freddyg12 · 12-05-2007, 01:03 PM

I surely hope Gibbs stays & can leave on a positive note. IF he does leave, let GW step in for continuity's sake.

IF both of these is not an option, I'm all for Russ Grimm. I understand the point about "new blood," but given the time that's lapsed since he was here, he is "new blood" he just has a familiar name. I do agree w/those that say we need a "hungry" coach, no doubt about that. Grimm is eager to prove he's head coach material. If the chance to take him comes up and we need a coach, I would think he's a great candidate at the least.

firstdown · 12-05-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

Truth is almost all Teams would make this trade for Gibbs for their current coach.

NO is our answer

SBF as much as I love Gibbs I'm not sure how many teams would trade us coaches. The only reason Gibbs is still here as our coach is his name and history with the Skins.

SmootSmack · 12-05-2007, 01:35 PM

If Saunders were to leave for any reason, what do you guys think of Cam Cameron as a replacement for him? Assuming Cameron were to be fired by the Dolphins.

SFREDSKIN · 12-05-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If Saunders were to leave for any reason, what do you guys think of Cam Cameron as a replacement for him? Assuming Cameron were to be fired by the Dolphins.

I mentioned him before, I think he's just as good as Garrett. You can't judge him on his team this year or passing on Brady Quinn in the draft. I love the guy, but I don't think the Dolphins will be foolish to let him go.

70Chip · 12-05-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If Saunders were to leave for any reason, what do you guys think of Cam Cameron as a replacement for him? Assuming Cameron were to be fired by the Dolphins.

He'd be a solid OC, but I wonder what his view of working for Snyder would be given his close relationship with The Norv. Also, he could probably have a half-dozen offers to be an OC if the Dolphins were to cut him loose and some of those are bound to be more attractive to him than any offer from the Redskins.

Paintrain · 12-05-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If Saunders were to leave for any reason, what do you guys think of Cam Cameron as a replacement for him? Assuming Cameron were to be fired by the Dolphins.

He's Norv v2.0.. I think if Saunders leaves we need someone who runs the same system as him to keep Campbell in the same offense..

I didn't think about Ron Rivera (someone else mentioned that name earlier in the thread) as a HC.. Him as HC with Saunders still calling the offense could work.. I am over Grilliams at this point.. He's not HC material IMO..

Giantone · 12-05-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I really doubt the Cowboys would let Garrett go to a division rival (although there was that rumor last month about going to the Giants).

Anyhow, I think we need to keep some semblance of continuity. Now I'm not saying the Steelers will struggle next year. But everyone was all excited about how young and innovative Sean Payton and Eric Mangini were last year, and now...

The Giants have them in their sights,Cowher is waiting on Carolina to make a call if they do ...he goes there and the Giants go after Garret,,,the same place his Dad coached and he went to high school down the road....he like NJ ,still owns his home there from when he was a Giant QB.
The Cowboys won't fire Phillips and Garret won't wait for ever,he'll take the cut to be a head coach and the Giants will pay what the Cowboys will ....so?

dmek25 · 12-05-2007, 05:48 PM

Garrett was brought into Dallas with the assumption he would take over for Phillips. no way he leaves for the giants. Phillips is already in his sixties. and as far as Cowher, i see him coaching Carolina. and the redskins job would be much more appealing to him over the giants. too much drama in new york

SFREDSKIN · 12-05-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

Garrett was brought into Dallas with the assumption he would take over for Phillips. no way he leaves for the giants. Phillips is already in his sixties. and as far as Cowher, i see him coaching Carolina. and the redskins job would be much more appealing to him over the giants. too much drama in new york

If the Cowboys win the SB, they just might beat the Patriots the second time around. Phillips will retire and Garrett will be promoted to HC. There's no way in hell Jerry Jones lets Garrett leave, especially to a rival NFL East team.

Giantone · 12-05-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

" and the redskins job would be much more appealing to him over the giants. too much drama in new york

LOL

:yeahright

Giantone · 12-05-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

If the Cowboys win the SB, they just might beat the Patriots the second time around. Phillips will retire and Garrett will be promoted to HC. There's no way in hell Jerry Jones lets Garrett leave, especially to a rival NFL East team.

GreenBay beats the Cowboys......in the NFC game.:headbange

SFREDSKIN · 12-05-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

GreenBay beats the Cowboys......in the NFC game.:headbange

No way!! They couldn't even hang with Favre playing before he got hurt, Rodgers made it competitive for a little while.

View Poll Results: If Gibbs Doesn't Return, Who Should Be the Head Coach?
Bill Cowher	60	30.00%
Russ Grimm	45	22.50%
Al Saunders	9	4.50%
Gregg Williams	68	34.00%
Other (tell us who)	18	9.00%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

12-05-2007, 09:43 AM	#151
Old School Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 44	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Williams was brought in here to replace Gibbs when he walked away. No reason to change that now.

12-05-2007, 11:59 AM	#152
Slingin Sammy 33 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4,347	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Here are my thoughts on this, first and foremost IF Gibbs decides to leave the sidelines he must move into the front office as GM/President. Snyder should do little more than sign checks. Cerrato must be let go. Gibbs needs to bring in any front office staff he requests. With the position of managing the franchise's long term stability and not worrying about weekly Wins & Losses he will avoid the poor personnel decisions made over the last few years. Our coaching choice should defintely not be Cowher. He had a good run in Pittsburgh, although not particiularly good in the playoffs. Big name for his second go round, I don't think we should go down that path, plus he will likely want total control. I don't think Russ Grimm should be the choice either. Someone else mentioned us "reaching for links to the glory days" and I agree, we should bring in fresh blood rather than go with Grimm. I believe it is time for a new Head Coach, a defensive one. I think GW and Saunders are pretty full of themselves and their systems, but it hasn't turned into much sucess nor are we seeing CONSISTENT improvement in the systems. GWs defense has done fairly well statistically, but the second half breakdowns game after game are a major concern and show a major coaching flaw. IMO what this indicates is good preparation going into the game but the ability to "think on your feet" and make in-game adjustments is lacking. I'm also not a big fan of the Cover 2. The only dominant Cover 2 or Tampa 2 defenses that I can recall was the SB Tampa team. That team had great athletes and could generate pressure from the front four. Indy's Cover 2 has played well in spots but prior to the playoffs last year was horrible. We need to make sure our defense is strong, because in late Nov. & December in the NFC East the elements can limit an offense severely and the D must sometimes carry us. Our offense has also had it's issues with second half adjustments, and the Lloyd and Randel-El acquistions were 100% Saunders fault. Our second half playcalling has been poor at best. If the playcalling is all Saunders then we need to let him go, but if it is a hybrid of Gibbs and Saunders then I believe he should have a year with total offensive control. Prior to coming to DC his offenses were consistently ranked in the top 5 in the NFL. In KC he didn't have any outstanding players other than Gonzalez and the left side of the OL, no great receivers and Priest Holmes was more of a product of the system. So if the current offense is a case of "too many cooks in the kitchen" He should stay on as OC. If he can't accept that then bring in a new OC that the new coach and Gibbs pick. My opinion would be to bring in a new head coach preferably a successful NFL assistant. Garrett is the hot name out there, but he is a Cowboy and he won't leave Dallas for DC, nor do I want him here. The coach I would like to see is Ron Rivera. He had successful defenses in Chicago from 2004-2006 and you see how they're doing this year without him. He's currently a LB coach in San Diego. He is a 4-3 guy, but is learning the 3-4 from Ted Cotrell. He got shafted in the coaching "merry-go-round" last year. We could bring him in and give Saunders one year of complete control to see if our Offense improves. If so then Saunders stays as OC, if not fire him and bring in a new OC in Rivera's second year. __________________ "I would bet.....(if), an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything] in the world you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.

12-05-2007, 01:03 PM	#154
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I surely hope Gibbs stays & can leave on a positive note. IF he does leave, let GW step in for continuity's sake. IF both of these is not an option, I'm all for Russ Grimm. I understand the point about "new blood," but given the time that's lapsed since he was here, he is "new blood" he just has a familiar name. I do agree w/those that say we need a "hungry" coach, no doubt about that. Grimm is eager to prove he's head coach material. If the chance to take him comes up and we need a coach, I would think he's a great candidate at the least.

12-05-2007, 01:35 PM	#156
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? If Saunders were to leave for any reason, what do you guys think of Cam Cameron as a replacement for him? Assuming Cameron were to be fired by the Dolphins. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-05-2007, 05:48 PM	#161
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Garrett was brought into Dallas with the assumption he would take over for Phillips. no way he leaves for the giants. Phillips is already in his sixties. and as far as Cowher, i see him coaching Carolina. and the redskins job would be much more appealing to him over the giants. too much drama in new york __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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