ESPN Ranks the Top 64 QB's

Coff · 12-13-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think you nailed it. Eli's stats are slighly better than Jason's but that doesn't tell the whole story. Also, you get the feeling the team loves and admires Campbell a great deal.

I think if you spoke to many Giants off the record, the opinions about Eli would vary more than we think.

Boy, I hate to speak against Campbell, but Eli will lead the Giants to the playoffs this year for the 4th year in a row. Granted, he has folded in a lot of big games, but he also has at least a few come from behind wins. The former out-numbers the latter, sure, but Jason hasn't given us many come from behind victories at all (just one, right? against the Jets this year) and I'm pretty sure that wasn't Doug Williams wearing number 17 when a plethora of 4th quarter interceptions kept the Skins from beating Dallas and Philly in back to back weeks this season.
They seem pretty comparable, but Eli has more experience, and has had more success. Hard to reason putting JC ahead of Eli.

redsk1 · 12-13-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Coff

Boy, I hate to speak against Campbell, but Eli will lead the Giants to the playoffs this year for the 4th year in a row. Granted, he has folded in a lot of big games, but he also has at least a few come from behind wins. The former out-numbers the latter, sure, but Jason hasn't given us many come from behind victories at all (just one, right? against the Jets this year) and I'm pretty sure that wasn't Doug Williams wearing number 17 when a plethora of 4th quarter interceptions kept the Skins from beating Dallas and Philly in back to back weeks this season.
They seem pretty comparable, but Eli has more experience, and has had more success. Hard to reason putting JC ahead of Eli.

No question. Eli has had success. I'm no fan of Eli's at all, but he has led his team to the playoffs a # of times. I don't see how JC should be ranked above Eli. JC really hasn't done anything yet. I think he will-I'd like to think he will, but this isn't a poll about who will be better, its about right now. Eli's had a good year.

SC Skins Fan · 12-13-2007, 10:37 PM

The Official Eli Manning Sucks Blog

That's all I have to say about that.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-13-2007, 10:44 PM

Campbell at number 18 is great seeing that he has only one year under is belt

jsarno · 12-14-2007, 12:28 AM

I have two issues with the rankings. 1st, I would not put Brady ahead of Manning. If Manning was a Patriot, he would have already had the record. Manning and Brady are of very similar age, look at the differences in stats. Granted Brady hasn't played as long, but he has in no way put up the stats that Manning has. Manning is the smartest qb to ever live.
The other issue I have is fairly predictable, and I won't even mention his name, but I will just say he's ranked way too high. (like gump says...that's all I got to say about that)

GTripp0012 · 12-14-2007, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

I have two issues with the rankings. 1st, I would not put Brady ahead of Manning. If Manning was a Patriot, he would have already had the record. Manning and Brady are of very similar age, look at the differences in stats. Granted Brady hasn't played as long, but he has in no way put up the stats that Manning has. Manning is the smartest qb to ever live.
The other issue I have is fairly predictable, and I won't even mention his name, but I will just say he's ranked way too high. (like gump says...that's all I got to say about that)

If Brady can post three straight seasons at this level of production, then he can stake a claim on greatest ever. Until then, I really can't say he's better than Manning. It just seems like an overreaction to a historically great season, and even recently he's started to disappear in some games. He's got two less years of experience than Manning, so its conceivable he could still improve, but until he does, I have to treat Brady's season as an abberation.

McNabb had an excellent year in 2004...yeah, well what has he done since then. Wouldn't shock me if the same thing happened to Brady.

Vince will improve next year when he's not so injured, but the media does have the delusion that he's going to develop into a good passer, which looks unlikely at this point to say the least.

over the mountain · 12-14-2007, 11:14 AM

man i really agree with their write up of JC. strong arm, needs to be more accurate in the mid range passing and HE MUST START TO READ DEFENSES QUICKER AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS.

go skins! stomp them giants!

skinsfan69 · 12-14-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

I have two issues with the rankings. 1st, I would not put Brady ahead of Manning. If Manning was a Patriot, he would have already had the record. Manning and Brady are of very similar age, look at the differences in stats. Granted Brady hasn't played as long, but he has in no way put up the stats that Manning has. Manning is the smartest qb to ever live.
The other issue I have is fairly predictable, and I won't even mention his name, but I will just say he's ranked way too high. (like gump says...that's all I got to say about that)

I would put Brady ahead of Manning becuase he was a huge part in NE winning 3 rings with average wr's. Plus he almost got to his 4th last year with below average wr's.

The Zimmermans · 12-14-2007, 05:15 PM

Plus he is more accurate, with a quicker release, a stronger arm, and no running game

Ocliw · 12-14-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

The Official Eli Manning Sucks Blog

That's all I have to say about that.

That link was awesome.

BringBackJoeT · 12-14-2007, 06:32 PM

If this hasn't already been posted, ESPN added to the list of top 64 QBs a list of QB Growth Stocks. Here's what they said about Campbell:

Jason Campbell, Redskins

CAMPBELL WATCH
Bullish: Appears to have a strong command of the huddle. Good physical skills.
Bearish: Still learning the offense.

Year-to-year 2006 2007
Comp. pct. 53.1 60.0
Rating 76.5 77.6
TD/INT 10-6 12-11
W-L 2-5 6-7
Coaches generally change a quarterback's throwing motion only as a last resort. Washington appears to have succeeded in helping Campbell, 25, overhaul his mechanics. Campbell has improved his completion percentage significantly, but he's still in the early stages of development.

"He is a big, talented kid," the secondary coach said. "He can pretty much throw any ball you need. They are probably taking it easy with him with the idea of, 'Hey, listen, don't lose the game for us.' But he might be able to win for them with time."

The AFC scout studied Campbell at length, starting with the seven starts Campbell made last season.

"They really did a nice job of changing his throwing motion," the scout said. "They really shortened his stroke, which helped him. I was really surprised at how much better he got during the summer."

Campbell might be more of a born leader than some quarterbacks.

"He takes charge of things," the secondary coach said. "You don't see other guys in the huddle saying, 'Let's do this, let's do that.' They have some veteran guys. He carries himself that way. I'd be willing to bet he has good leadership ability."

BringBackJoeT · 12-14-2007, 06:34 PM

Also, did anyone notice that our starting QB this weekend is ranked behind one Gus Frerotte in ESPN's rankings? Good lord . . .

That Guy · 12-15-2007, 11:36 AM

looks like what i said two years ago

he really did improve massively over the summer (surprisingly so) and he's no longer a question mark as a starter (now if he can work on that fumbling problem...).

scafuri27 · 12-15-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Also, did anyone notice that our starting QB this weekend is ranked behind one Gus Frerotte in ESPN's rankings? Good lord . . .

As long as Tony banks and Jeff George arent ranked ahead of him we will be OK!!

Coff · 12-15-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Also, did anyone notice that our starting QB this weekend is ranked behind one Gus Frerotte in ESPN's rankings? Good lord . . .

I really wish you hadn't posted that; it's depressing on far too many levels.

12-13-2007, 10:37 PM	#18
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12-13-2007, 10:44 PM	#19
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12-14-2007, 12:28 AM	#20
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 49 Posts: 9,534	Re: ESPN Ranks the Top 64 QB's I have two issues with the rankings. 1st, I would not put Brady ahead of Manning. If Manning was a Patriot, he would have already had the record. Manning and Brady are of very similar age, look at the differences in stats. Granted Brady hasn't played as long, but he has in no way put up the stats that Manning has. Manning is the smartest qb to ever live. The other issue I have is fairly predictable, and I won't even mention his name, but I will just say he's ranked way too high. (like gump says...that's all I got to say about that) __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

12-14-2007, 11:14 AM	#22
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: ESPN Ranks the Top 64 QB's man i really agree with their write up of JC. strong arm, needs to be more accurate in the mid range passing and HE MUST START TO READ DEFENSES QUICKER AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS. go skins! stomp them giants!

12-14-2007, 05:15 PM	#24
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: ESPN Ranks the Top 64 QB's Plus he is more accurate, with a quicker release, a stronger arm, and no running game __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

12-14-2007, 06:32 PM	#26
BringBackJoeT Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 597	Re: ESPN Ranks the Top 64 QB's If this hasn't already been posted, ESPN added to the list of top 64 QBs a list of QB Growth Stocks. Here's what they said about Campbell: Jason Campbell, Redskins CAMPBELL WATCH Bullish: Appears to have a strong command of the huddle. Good physical skills. Bearish: Still learning the offense. Year-to-year 2006 2007 Comp. pct. 53.1 60.0 Rating 76.5 77.6 TD/INT 10-6 12-11 W-L 2-5 6-7 Coaches generally change a quarterback's throwing motion only as a last resort. Washington appears to have succeeded in helping Campbell, 25, overhaul his mechanics. Campbell has improved his completion percentage significantly, but he's still in the early stages of development. "He is a big, talented kid," the secondary coach said. "He can pretty much throw any ball you need. They are probably taking it easy with him with the idea of, 'Hey, listen, don't lose the game for us.' But he might be able to win for them with time." The AFC scout studied Campbell at length, starting with the seven starts Campbell made last season. "They really did a nice job of changing his throwing motion," the scout said. "They really shortened his stroke, which helped him. I was really surprised at how much better he got during the summer." Campbell might be more of a born leader than some quarterbacks. "He takes charge of things," the secondary coach said. "You don't see other guys in the huddle saying, 'Let's do this, let's do that.' They have some veteran guys. He carries himself that way. I'd be willing to bet he has good leadership ability."

12-14-2007, 06:34 PM	#27
BringBackJoeT Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 597	Re: ESPN Ranks the Top 64 QB's Also, did anyone notice that our starting QB this weekend is ranked behind one Gus Frerotte in ESPN's rankings? Good lord . . .

12-15-2007, 11:36 AM	#28
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: ESPN Ranks the Top 64 QB's looks like what i said two years ago he really did improve massively over the summer (surprisingly so) and he's no longer a question mark as a starter (now if he can work on that fumbling problem...).

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