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[HTTR]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

One mans trash is another mans treasure. Probably a large contributor to Daniel Snyders success. Unfortunately this philosophy hasn't translated well for him in the NFL.

That being said, I'm willing to see what Fassel has to offer. I am not ready to say that he is a worse choice than Gregg Williams. This was an over-emotional year in a lot of respects, and I appreciate the fact that Snyder didn't pull the trigger too quick and name GW the head coach simply for continuity purposes and the fact that some players thought he would be the best choice as Gibbs successor. I'd rather he take the time, listen to those smart guys on the payroll who have "influence" on the matter, and make the decision that best suits the team for the long run. If that means sacrificing some "continuity" then so be it. I'd rather go through some more growing pains for the short term and get it right, than go with the "popular" choice for the sake of continuity.

I tend to agree with this. However, Snyder's hiring philosophy and track record, as you point out, have not been successful. I just don't trust the guy to put together a solid FO and coaching staff. Gibbs.2 is the closest he's come, and that's getting disassembled.

The ONE thing we have lacked since DS bought the team is continuity. So to give that up now -- for what, another spin on the Snyder merry-go-round? --just has to give you a queasy feeling. Honestly, Matty and others, don't you feel just a tad ill?

[jsnyder03]

SmootSmack,

You are usually one of the most level-headed guys here, but it sure seems like you are in "damage control" mode. Will the fan exodus of this potential move hurt more than the mismanagement of this great franchise?

Schneed and redsk1 seem to be right on point. Just look at the War Path's poll, not everyone but an overwhelming majority want GW. As much because of his earning the job HERE, rather than his previous head coaching resume.

And Paintrain, what's up with that sig comparing GW to Patrick Ramsey? Williams has had a successful NFL career! Comparing him to a disappointing 1st round pick is simply wrong.

For the record, I would like to see Williams as HC, keep Saunders and continue what Gibbs started. I would understand going with a Cowher type HC, but if we have to blow up the entire coaching staff for a "B" level HC, my heart-felt Redskins passion will take a huge hit.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

He's not mine:

#1 - The players, Gibbs and other coaches support and endorse him..

#2 - A new coach will not have the ability to change the roster for another 3 years at least. The cap situation will make it too difficult. The new coach will, for the most part, have to sink or swim for the next three years with the players already on the roster. See this thread for more:

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...ebuilding.html

#3 - Can we please keep Jason Campbell in the same offensive system? Note that every time the team has gone with a new system, the year after the change resulted in 5-11 season (2004) and a 6-10 season (2006). After being in a system for a year, the team went to the playoffs in each subsequent season.

#4 - Getting rid of Gregg will mean you lose Saunders, Jerry Gray, and possibly Joe Bugel. I can't seen any scenario in which the new staff is comprised of better coaching minds than the one we've got right now. It's not all about the head coaches, it's about the assistants too.

#5 - Gregg felt the loss of Sean Taylor just as much as anyone on the team. He'll be in a position to relate to the players on a personal level. Chemistry between coaches and players cannot possibly be any better than with GW.

Thank you for encapsulating several of the identical arguments I've been making elsewhere into a single, distilled opinion.

Schneed is *my* new hero.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsnyder03

SmootSmack,

You are usually one of the most level-headed guys here, but it sure seems like you are in "damage control" mode. Will the fan exodus of this potential move hurt more than the mismanagement of this great franchise?

Schneed and redsk1 seem to be right on point. Just look at the War Path's poll, not everyone but an overwhelming majority want GW. As much because of his earning the job HERE, rather than his previous head coaching resume.

And Paintrain, what's up with that sig comparing GW to Patrick Ramsey? Williams has had a successful NFL career! Comparing him to a disappointing 1st round pick is simply wrong.

For the record, I would like to see Williams as HC, keep Saunders and continue what Gibbs started. I would understand going with a Cowher type HC, but if we have to blow up the entire coaching staff for a "B" level HC, my heart-felt Redskins passion will take a huge hit.

LOL fan exodus?

I'd love to see it. We could afford to cut some dead weight.

Truth is all the people hating on this will be loving life if the team wins.

I think alot of people have too much emotion wrapped up in this decision and simply can't be objective about it right now. Maybe once the dust settles we'll see some more rational thinking. But for right now it's total freakout mode.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Truth is all the people hating on this will be loving life if the team wins.

Every true fan has to eat his share of crow every now and then.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

How could he be lobbying for GW when it was reported that he was backing the promotion of Cerrato? I'm going to assume Gibbs knew all about their bad blood. Not to make Gibbs out to be straddling the line or anything but he must have known that if Cerrato got promoted that GW was pretty much as good as gone.

And this is where Snyder's business experience, which as anyone who's been in any kind of large business for very long will tell you, is as much WHO you know as it is WHAT you know.

Joe was a true leader who understood how to motivate, empower, and respect people. What Snyder is showing me here is the classic Old Boy Network in action, and if it goes down like this, I won't be surprised if this whole thing is in flames by week five next season.

Just so everyone's clear on the implication I'm making, it's that booting GGggrilliamss because Vinny doesn't like him, and going after The Fossil because "he has ties with Cerrato" are about the worst ways you could run your business if you care at all about what the experts at the bottom who do the work (in this case, the players) think.

Real leaders hire smart people and then get out of their way and let them do their jobs.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Just to be clear on where I stand on this one.

I don't want Fassel at all.

Not as a head coach,

Not as coordinator,

Not as the guy who's going to take JC to the "next level".

Not as the next "whomever".

I don't care....don't want the guy - at all!

ditto..

only because I'd like about 10 others before him other than Williams.

I simply think Williams is the clear best choice. I give a lot of credence to an entire staff and lockr room putting their strong support behind one guy. They'd know best about whether the guy can lead and they have said "yes he can and should lead us". That ought to mean an awful lot. I am scared to think what it'll mean when he doesn't get the job honestly.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

That's how I feel about the whole situation too. I'm trying to reserve judgment until I hear the official announcement. I'm also trying very hard to give Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but the whole thing just doesn't feel right for some reason.

Given the kind of season we had, I just think GW is in a better position to take over the leadership of this team right now. I think the cohesiveness of the staff and players is better than it has been in years. Why change that now and bring in a whole new dynamic with a new staff?

There are so many of us here who share in your belief. I'm also of the opinion that despite both Williams, and Fassel being considered rejects, or recycles, Williams is the more appropiate choice for this particular team at this particular time. Maybe Fassel could/would be a good hire, but not at this time. This team is too close to being able to acomplish something significant to have to undergo a makeover. Joe Gibbs leaving this team unexpectedly as he did leaves the team with more unsettled problems than just hiring a new coach. With a new coach comes all types of changes, changes no one in the orginization was/is prepared for.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Every true fan has to eat his share of crow every now and then.

Yet some never learn.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL fan exodus?

I'd love to see it. We could afford to cut some dead weight.

Truth is all the people hating on this will be loving life if the team wins.

I think alot of people have too much emotion wrapped up in this decision and simply can't be objective about it right now. Maybe once the dust settles we'll see some more rational thinking. But for right now it's total freakout mode.

Yeah, there won't be any fan exodus. If we stuck around for Martyball and The Ol' Ball Coach, I see no great fan abandonment because of The Fossil.

But I think you and Smooty are both wrong if you think that fans won't be left with a bad taste in their mouth and a general embarrassment at the way Snyder runs OUR team (yes I said ours) if it goes down like this.

The reason that fans stuck by Joe in the second half of this season had as much to do with the way he led the team with dignity and passion than it did with the fact that we were winning games nobody gave us a chance in.

That same reason is why folks are going to be bitter with Snyder even if he brings in a totally new staff and the team starts winning some games. I don't think Skins fans are content to win a few games and feel like being a bunch of a-holes in the FO is okay as a result.

We want to return to the class organization we used to be. Sure, win a Super Bowl and a lot of sins are forgiven, but give me a break, we're all a little tired of crowning ourselves Super Bowl Champs in August and sitting at home watching other teams in the playoffs come December.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

ditto..

only because I'd like about 10 others before him other than Williams.

I simply think Williams is the clear best choice. I give a lot of credence to an entire staff and lockr room putting their strong support behind one guy. They'd know best about whether the guy can lead and they have said "yes he can and should lead us". That ought to mean an awful lot. I am scared to think what it'll mean when he doesn't get the job honestly.

Oh, if Williams doesn't get the job you'll hear the nominal, we're glad with the decision. Gregg meant a lot, but this is a business...blah, blah, blah.

And let's not understimate the utter circus and media scrutiny the players will be subjected to from day one of training camp. Can you imagine the silly questions they're going to have to answer.

God forbid this team starts out 0-2 or 0-3, it will be chaos around here.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by dgack

Yeah, there won't be any fan exodus. If we stuck around for Martyball and The Ol' Ball Coach, I see no great fan abandonment because of The Fossil.

But I think you and Smooty are both wrong if you think that fans won't be left with a bad taste in their mouth and a general embarrassment at the way Snyder runs OUR team (yes I said ours) if it goes down like this.

The reason that fans stuck by Joe in the second half of this season had as much to do with the way he led the team with dignity and passion than it did with the fact that we were winning games nobody gave us a chance in.

That same reason is why folks are going to be bitter with Snyder even if he brings in a totally new staff and the team starts winning some games. I don't think Skins fans are content to win a few games and feel like being a bunch of a-holes in the FO is okay as a result.

We want to return to the class organization we used to be. Sure, win a Super Bowl and a lot of sins are forgiven, but give me a break, we're all a little tired of crowning ourselves Super Bowl Champs in August and sitting at home watching other teams in the playoffs come December.

Honestly I really don't care and Snyder probably doesn't either. There are plenty of people out there that have already made up their minds to hate the guy no matter what, and when situations like this come up they can't wait to pounce, despite the fact they don't completely know or understand the entire situation.

[#56fanatic]

it will be a complete joke. To have a guy that has learned under a hall of fame coach - a guy that has been loyal to your franchise, but not doing interviews two / three years ago when his name was hot again. To bring in Fassell, subject players to a new scheme again, have to remake the roster again, find a new staff again, to basically spit in your players faces is a joke. the majority of those guys wanted williams and this staff. The teams that consistantly put playoff teams on the field all have one thing in common, that is a stable coaching staff. NE, Indy,Philly,Seattle,Tampa,Giants,Jacksonville. Jacksonville has rode the tough times out with Del Rio, now he looks like he has a team molded in his way of playing. I just can't get over how ridiculous this hiring will be.

another bad move by the organization. This is what happens when you let Vinny help run the thing. He is scared for his job if GW comes in with personal power because he would do the same thing Marty did and fire his ass. So, he goes out and gets a guy that will not be able to do this, that will hire a staff that has ties to Vinny. what a joke. this is why we are continuously the joke of the NFL. We go to playoffs, make changes and stink the following year. Usually teams that make the playoffs may make a subtle change or add a guy here or there, we make whole sale changes like we finished 1-15.

its getting easier and easier to understand why we get bashed every year.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

freakout mode.

I want a W H O P P E R (R)!


(R) Burger King Corp

This is a whole whopperfreakout kind of thing!

[12thMan]

I tell you what I don't get - why is that folks are considered to be freaking out because they don't want Fassel as a head coach?

As someone said earlier, Williams is the "clear best choice."