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[QBall]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Everything I've heard says Bugel stays if he wants to stay. If it were up to me, I would have promoted Williams to head coach and nothing more (I don't think he deserves it by any means, but it's the least "dangerous" move), I would have hired Jim Schwartz to replace Williams, moved Jerry Gray up to defensive coordinator, let Blache retire as he has supposedly hinted at. Give Danny Smith his shot as a D-Backs coach.

And offensively, I'm torn on what I would have done with Saunders but I definitely would have trimmed the staff somehow. Maybe let Breaux and Burns walk and consolidate their responsibilities under Byner.

that or hire them ALL back and give it a shot in 08'.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by dgack

This is like saying we can't have opinions about the outcome of Skins games because we weren't in the team meetings where they coordinated the game plan.

not really because at the outcome of a game we know who the winner is, so we can debate on what should have been done to change the outcome.

we don't yet know the outcome of this particular subject.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

not really because at the outcome of a game we know who the winner is, so we can debate on what should have been done to change the outcome.

we don't yet know the outcome of this particular subject.

Semantics.

Okay, excuse me, it's like saying we can't analyze the game in PROGRESS for the same reason.

[12thMan]

Truth is, nothing is going to make this feel better until Fassel clearly redeems Snyder by winning a whole bunch of games. Unless this guy goes 10-6/11-5 and vies for a second round playoff berth or even a conference championship, the Skins will never live this decision down.

This isn't going away. Not during the draft, not during training camp, not during pre-season, and not for at least the first 8 games of the regular season.

The very first time JC throws an interception, it will be Snyder's and Fassel's fault. Now is that reasonable? Probably not. But to many fans, neither is bringing someone into our "house" who knows nothing about the way we set our plates out on the dinner table, what time we serve dinner, and who's turn it is to wash the dishes.

There are rules and ettiquette that generally apply to every situation, then there are "how we do things around here." I think the Redskins we're on to something with the latter. Now it looks like they're going to re-set the dinner table, so to speak.

[bertoskins2]

lets face the truth, Gibbs 4 year stay here is just a dream. then after waking up. were now back to the redskins that is now owned by a fantasy football guy. lets have another ride with this

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Honestly I really don't care and Snyder probably doesn't either. There are plenty of people out there that have already made up their minds to hate the guy no matter what, and when situations like this come up they can't wait to pounce, despite the fact they don't completely know or understand the entire situation.

I agree. I also agree that many instinctively recoil when they hear Vinny's name uttered, even though those same people cannot tell you what Vinny does or what decisions he has made. I have defended both Vinny and Snyder whenever I feel that they are being unfairly dogged (which happens often). Both are scapegoats that people can point to with knee-jerk speed.

That being said, I think it is fair to criticize Dan if he does not hire Williams. Sure, Williams has his flaws (e.g., arrogance) and had a poor record as head coach of the Bills. However, most, if not all, of us fans wanted to see Williams replace Gibbs. What has changed since the days immediately following Gibbs' retirement that would make us change our minds? Not much. Most of us still want Williams and many of us will be upset if he's not our new head coach.

We could still win if Dan Snyder hires Fassel and Williams goes someplace else. We might lose if Snyder hires Williams as head coach. But, for now, I for one still want Williams and the rest of the coaching staff to stick around. That's not an indictment of Snyder, that's an endorsement of the franchise Joe Gibbs left us with.

[SmootSmack]

Good points. But let me ask this then, why should it matter what the fans really want? If they listened to the fans we'd have a different coach every other week this past season.

[Beemnseven]

When an owner and director of player personnel have presided over a team which has collected a 50-62 record, who exactly should be the scapegoat?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good points. But let me ask this then, why should it matter what the fans really want? If they listened to the fans we'd have a different coach every other week this past season.

They should not listen to us fans. I agree that some of us are incredibly fickle. However, I do not believe I fall in with that crowd. I was a strong Gibbs supporter and I like what he left in place. That the players and coaches (including Gibbs) reportedly support Williams, despite his arrogance and demanding nature, in his bid to become the next head coach only confirms my belief that he is the right man for the job. In short, I like what I see and so do the people closest to our team (i.e., the players and coaches).

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

When an owner and director of player personnel have presided over a team which has collected a 50-62 record, who exactly should be the scapegoat?

No one should be the scapegoat. Various head coaches have struggled in D.C., with and without Vinny and Danny's interference. Marty had full control of the team, yet he struggled. Gibbs essentially had full control and did not meet expectations. Various players have struggled in D.C., only to improve while playing elsewhere. We've had rashes of injuries at inopportune times. In other words, there are a whole host of reasons why this team's record has been mediocre since Danny became majority owner.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

No one should be the scapegoat. Various head coaches have struggled in D.C., with and without Vinny and Danny's interference. Marty had full control of the team, yet he struggled. Gibbs essentially had full control and did not meet expectations. Various players have struggled in D.C., only to improve while playing elsewhere. We've had rashes of injuries at inopportune times. In other words, there are a whole host of reasons why this team's record has been mediocre since Danny became majority owner.

I see. So the buck stops nowhere.

Let me ask you this -- if Snyder inherited the team today, and the general manager of the team had the record that Snyder has compiled, what would happen to him? What should happen to him?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I see. So the buck stops nowhere.

Let me ask you this -- if Snyder inherited the team today, and the general manager of the team had the record that Snyder has compiled, what would happen to him? What should happen to him?

The buck does indeed stop at Danny's feet. But I think it's a little too easy to pin all our woes on just one man. For example.......Spurrier anyone?

As to your second point, are you alleging that Snyder is our GM? He performs some GM-like functions, but I don't know how the power structure works and I don't know what decisions Danny made or vetoed. If you have inside info, please share.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

For example.......Spurrier anyone?

Exactly. And who hired him?

As to my second 'point' -- it was actually more of a question -- what would Snyder do with a general manager/director of player personnel/team president with a record of 50-62?

It's a simple question really.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Exactly. And who hired him?

As to my second 'point' -- it was actually more of a question -- what would Snyder do with a general manager/director of player personnel/team president with a record of 50-62?

It's a simple question really.

Spurrier didn't work out, but most "football minds" were convinced he would do quite well. Snyder gambled and got it wrong, along with the other "experts."

As to your second question, it was rhetorical (i.e., a point). But, to answer it, Snyder would fire himself. That said, I'm not sure why you would indict Snyder's decision-making abilities and then ask what he would do to a GM with a record of 50-62.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Spurrier didn't work out, but most "football minds" were convinced he would do quite well. Snyder gambled and got it wrong, along with the other "experts."

As to your second question, it was rhetorical (i.e., a point). But, to answer it, Snyder would fire himself. That said, I'm not sure why you would indict Snyder's decision-making abilities and then ask what he would do to a GM with a record of 50-62.

I think he meant would Snyder fire Vinny. I'm still not sure why Snyder is so enamored with Vinny after nearly a decade of questionable front office work.
Funny how Vinny "improved" his personnel decisions when Gibbs came back. I know he had success in SF and at Notre Dame, but I'm not a fan.