Greg Blache stands up to Cerrato and Synder...

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.

haha, Taylor Jacobs too...

man I forgot about shane matthews.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

haha, Taylor Jacobs too...

man I forgot about shane matthews.

Me too I rather not remember that time ever.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.

exactly Smoot, I made this point a few times in the last couple of weeks when we were discussing the coaching decisions.

[Schneed10]

Yeah I see this as no big deal. As long as coaches are willing to speak up and say what they want, Danny and Vinny have shown that they'll listen. When we'd have a problem is if the coaching staff just kind of said "eh whatever" and took what Vinny gave them.

But there's no indication that is the case.

[FRPLG]

The issue is more with JLC's wording to me. He clearly has a little bit of a bias against the FO for whatever reason so when he writes a story like this he uses words like "enamored" to indicate that Snyeratto thought this was the greatest idea ever and couldn't believe the coaches disagreed. But in the end they listened grudgingly. I have no idea but something tells me the discussions were more along the lines of "Hey here are some guys who were productive in the past what do you coaches think?" "They suck? Ok. Nevermind."

We have to remember that it is more than likely that most of JLCs sources have some type of dislike for Snyder and the FO. Maybe not at a deep level but the fact that they are anonymous sources on closely guarded discussions indicates they aren't lap dogs for Snyderatto. That probably slants his views.

All in all...move along, nothing to see here.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The issue is more with JLC's wording to me. He clearly has a little bit of a bias against the FO for whatever reason so when he writes a story like this he uses words like "enamored" to indicate that Snyeratto thought this was the greatest idea ever and couldn't believe the coaches disagreed. But in the end they listened grudgingly. I have no idea but something tells me the discussions were more along the lines of "Hey here are some guys who were productive in the past what do you coaches think?" "They suck? Ok. Nevermind."

We have to remember that it is more than likely that most of JLCs sources have some type of dislike for Snyder and the FO. Maybe not at a deep level but the fact that they are anonymous sources on closely guarded discussions indicates they aren't lap dogs for Snyderatto. That probably slants his views.

All in all...move along, nothing to see here.

Great post, highlights the importance of interpreting the slant inherent to any piece of journalism.

[Bill B]

Not trying to stir the pot here. Heck I even said in my post I am not sure if what JLC states is the truth or not. But what got me to post it is if what JLC was saying the truth and that Blatche and Williams had to provide a lot of resisitence because the Synder and Cerrato were enamored with the big name guys I start to really wonder how involved Dan Synder is in building the team.

On this front what player evaluation experience does Dan Synder exactly have and where did he acquire it? I understand that owners sign the paychecks and evey team no matter who it is has some input from the owner because he is the one paying the money, but from a intial acquisition standpoint why should Dan even be involved in the process?
Shouldn't this intial phase of team building be left in the hands of your front office personnel like scouts as well as coaches and those types and once any issues of money come into the picture than involve your owner? Again this is being brought up on the prmise that what JLC is true.

[MTK]

It's no secret that Snyder is involved in the personnel process to some degree. He always has been outside of the year that Marty was here. However I don't think that he makes any calls on his own and forces players upon the coaches. I don't have a problem with him being involved as long as he's deferring to others on the final decisions.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Anyone who really thinks Snyder and Cerrato don't listen to what coaches want should recall the Spurrier years. You can bet it wasn't either of them who were clamoring for Jacquez Green and Shane Matthews.

So which coach was it that clamored for drafting Patrick Ramsey first?

Just asking...

[JoeRedskin]

That was very much a Snyder pick. But remember, he traded down twice in the first round to get him. Picked up two thirds and at the bottom of the first got the highest rated QB on the board at a time when Danny Wuerffel was our QB.

All in all, not a bad way to go about it.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Not trying to stir the pot here. Heck I even said in my post I am not sure if what JLC states is the truth or not. But what got me to post it is if what JLC was saying the truth and that Blatche and Williams had to provide a lot of resisitence because the Synder and Cerrato were enamored with the big name guys I start to really wonder how involved Dan Synder is in building the team.

On this front what player evaluation experience does Dan Synder exactly have and where did he acquire it? I understand that owners sign the paychecks and evey team no matter who it is has some input from the owner because he is the one paying the money, but from a intial acquisition standpoint why should Dan even be involved in the process?
Shouldn't this intial phase of team building be left in the hands of your front office personnel like scouts as well as coaches and those types and once any issues of money come into the picture than involve your owner? Again this is being brought up on the prmise that what JLC is true.

How could this even happen when Gibbs is the coach?
So this is how it went.
Dan: Hey GW what do you think about these guys who are FA.
GW: Well their old and have bad work habits.
DAn: These are some of the biggest names in the NFL.
GW: Yea, but their getting old.
Dan: OK

Wow, GW is one tough Cookie.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

So which coach was it that clamored for drafting Patrick Ramsey first?

Just asking...

This was a Spurrier project. Ramsey was supposed to be QB of the future. Cannon arm, smart (dual major from Tulane), tough. Fumble-prone Tony Banks was our QB in 2001. Wuerffel & Matthews were brought in to help "coach Ramsey up" in the "pitch & catch". (I hope I never hear those terms associated with the Skins in any way, shape, or form)

[Longtimefan]

Good to see Blache is recognizing the importance of youth as opposed to aging FA veterans, espically on the D-line, a position long neglected in the draft. [with emphasis on the first round]

Both, Snyder and Cerrato have at times come under heavy criticism for the way players have been selected in the past, mistakes have been made. Many of the mistakes made by Snyder are reminiscent of a fans perspective when it came to his choice of players.

One must agree however, his decisions good or bad were agressive ones', with the mindset they would improve the team because I do beleive he really does want to win. I would much prefer to have an owner willing to spend, and making mistakes of agression, than one like John Cooke who didn't have the money to invest in the team.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

That was very much a Snyder pick. But remember, he traded down twice in the first round to get him. Picked up two thirds and at the bottom of the first got the highest rated QB on the board at a time when Danny Wuerffel was our QB.

All in all, not a bad way to go about it.

I can't blame them for making decisions for Spurrier... let's face it he was fresh out of college and really wasn't in the best position to make personnel decisions, he all but admited that.

[SmootSmack]

Snyder also wanted Santana Moss, but deferred to Marty and Rod Gardner.

IMO, this whole thing really is a non-story