giants trying to trade 31st pick for cb hall

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

The ESPN guy at the combine just said that the Giants, Cowboys, AND Redskins were all interested in acquiring D Hall from the Falcons.

Does the NFC EAST do this on purpose do they all say hey the Cowboys are interested so are we, the Giants are interested so are we. I believe that we might actually get Hall if not one else does.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I wouldn't be opposed to getting D. Hall but if we're trading that #1 pick for anyone, it better be Fitzgerald, Ocho or Roy Williams.. WR is a bigger need than CB.

i don't understand your reasoning. we have Santana Moss, and Randel El as our starters. both are proven nfl caliber receivers. at corner we start Springs, who is very old for a corner, and Smoot. at best, Smoot is a nickle corner, who is starting do to Rogers injury. who knows when, or even if, Rogers comes back. his injury is the most severe type of knee injury anyone can sustain. it will be a very long road to recovery for Mr. Rogers. im not saying our receiving corps is top notch, but the are at least adequate. right now, the skins have ONE legitimate starting nfl corner

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Rogers out but will be back by midseason, I agree on Springs and Smoot but I really don't think CB is such a drastic need that we have to give up our #1 pick for another corner. Just in the division, our CB are better than Dallas or NYG and how did their seasons turn out?

Moss and Randle El are decent #1 & #2 WR but would be excellent #2 and #3 WR.. Cooley's effectiveness will only increase with a stud WR..

Zorn isn't Gibbs who was going to try to pound the ball with super jumbo packages in the 2nd quarter on 2nd and 7 from the 45 yard line. We're going to see more 4-5 WR (including Cooley and Portis split out wide) sets than we've ever seen before and we need a stud who defenses have to account for on every play to open things up.

I don't agree with your take on Zorn's offense. Not going to have many 4 or 5 wideout sets. Zorn has already stated his desire to keep Redskins running attack a priority. Sure we'll throw a bit more but we don't have the personel for 5 wideouts so why go there? Not going to happen. Gibbs didn't call plays the past two seasons anyway. Yes, he did influence Al but we didn't just pound the ball at all the past two years. Yes when Portis went down in 06' we ran more b/c we sucked balls and lost every game. Last year we had a mix. I would pick first a defensive lineman and next a corner, just me.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i don't understand your reasoning. we have Santana Moss, and Randel El as our starters. both are proven nfl caliber receivers. at corner we start Springs, who is very old for a corner, and Smoot. at best, Smoot is a nickle corner, who is starting do to Rogers injury. who knows when, or even if, Rogers comes back. his injury is the most severe type of knee injury anyone can sustain. it will be a very long road to recovery for Mr. Rogers. im not saying our receiving corps is top notch, but the are at least adequate. right now, the skins have ONE legitimate starting nfl corner

I didn't state we don't need a CB at all, but if we're going to trade our #1 pick, I'd rather see it for a WR than a CB. We can get a decent CB (Drayton Florence for example) thru free agency to hold the fort until Rogers comes back. I'm more comfortable with Springs/Smoot than I am with Moss/Randle El.. If we don't do anything, by Halloween we're 3 strong at CB yet still undersized and undermanned at WR.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I didn't state we don't need a CB at all, but if we're going to trade our #1 pick, I'd rather see it for a WR than a CB. We can get a decent CB (Drayton Florence for example) thru free agency to hold the fort until Rogers comes back. I'm more comfortable with Springs/Smoot than I am with Moss/Randle El.. If we don't do anything, by Halloween we're 3 strong at CB yet still undersized and undermanned at WR.

Florence is a career back-up Nickel back not proven NFL starter.

[downtown4life]

you say that this guy is a beast, fast as hell and a complete corner. well that might be true but should we totally forget about him publicly showing his support for an a-hole with the last name vick by running on the field with a poster and having his eye shades read MV7. Lets not forget him going off on his d-coordinator last year and wanting to pick fights with every receiver he faces, oh and getting unsportsmanlike penalties that cause your team victories. One word- Classless

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by QBall

I don't agree with your take on Zorn's offense. Not going to have many 4 or 5 wideout sets. Zorn has already stated his desire to keep Redskins running attack a priority. Sure we'll throw a bit more but we don't have the personel for 5 wideouts so why go there? Not going to happen. Gibbs didn't call plays the past two seasons anyway. Yes, he did influence Al but we didn't just pound the ball at all the past two years. Yes when Portis went down in 06' we ran more b/c we sucked balls and lost every game. Last year we had a mix. I would pick first a defensive lineman and next a corner, just me.

I agree DL and CB are positions of need, but if we are going to trade the #1 pick I would rather do it for a stud WR than a CB, that's all I am saying.

It's not going to be Spurrier 2.0 with us going 5 wide every play, but if you watched any of Seattle's games, they went 3 and 4 wide often and ran out of those sets. We will go 5 wide when the opportunity presents. Just because we didn't do it last year, doesn't mean we won't have the personnel to do it this year.

When we were going 3 TE, 1 WR, we didn't need a stud WR to draw additional coverage, but if we have a Fitz, Ocho or Williams on one side, Moss on the other, the safeties are going to have to account for them.. What does that do? Open up more running lanes for Portis. Adding a stud WR helps the running game just as much as the passing game. It doesn't equate to Mike Martz throwing the ball 60 times a game.

I expect our offense to look more like Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren than anything we've seen from Redskins teams of the past.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by QBall

Florence is a career back-up Nickel back not proven NFL starter.

Exactly, that's why he's brought in as depth to play that position once Rogers returns.. Follow me here, if Rogers is out, Springs & Smoot start, Florence is the nickel/backup CB.. Once Rogers returns, Springs and Rogers start, Smoot is the nickel, Florence is the dime.. Rogers isn't trying to recover from an amputation, it's a severe knee injury, he's back by Halloween.. We'll still have half a season left at that point.

If we trade for D. Hall, do we cut Springs or does Smoot become the dime once Rogers returns?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by downtown4life

you say that this guy is a beast, fast as hell and a complete corner. well that might be true but should we totally forget about him publicly showing his support for an a-hole with the last name vick by running on the field with a poster and having his eye shades read MV7. Lets not forget him going off on his d-coordinator last year and wanting to pick fights with every receiver he faces, oh and getting unsportsmanlike penalties that cause your team victories. One word- Classless

Agreed. Sad thing is the guy seems bright enough combined w/his physical ability that he could be a face of the nfl. Instead, he negates his playmaking by fighting w/Steve Smith et al and basically turning the game into a 1 on 1 fight rather than what's best for his team.

Hall may mature, but in the next couple years I don't see him coming around. This is not a guy you bring in to a team in transition w/a new head coach that's never been one before.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I agree DL and CB are positions of need, but if we are going to trade the #1 pick I would rather do it for a stud WR than a CB, that's all I am saying.

It's not going to be Spurrier 2.0 with us going 5 wide every play, but if you watched any of Seattle's games, they went 3 and 4 wide often and ran out of those sets. We will go 5 wide when the opportunity presents. Just because we didn't do it last year, doesn't mean we won't have the personnel to do it this year.

When we were going 3 TE, 1 WR, we didn't need a stud WR to draw additional coverage, but if we have a Fitz, Ocho or Williams on one side, Moss on the other, the safeties are going to have to account for them.. What does that do? Open up more running lanes for Portis. Adding a stud WR helps the running game just as much as the passing game. It doesn't equate to Mike Martz throwing the ball 60 times a game.

I expect our offense to look more like Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren than anything we've seen from Redskins teams of the past.

I never said trade out pick for anyone. Don't think we should for WR or CB. Even if we picked WR first and CB or Line second that wouldn't be the worst case. Might turn out that at 21 highest rated need player on board is WR with all the focus on line lately.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by QBall

I never said trade out pick for anyone. Don't think we should for WR or CB. Even if we picked WR first and CB or Line second that wouldn't be the worst case. Might turn out that at 21 highest rated need player on board is WR with all the focus on line lately.

That was the point of the entire thread, whether we should trade the pick for D. Hall. My assertion was IF we traded the pick it should go for a WR rather than a CB.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I would stay away from him, he's a punk! Talent he has, class he doesn't.

And you know that how?

[charlielyons]

much rather see us pick up a DL with our first pick and brandon flowers with our 2nd.. WR is not a glaring need, lets see what mix can do.

[freddyg12]

If there was anything positive to be gained from B.Loyd, it's that the front office & coaches will be a lot more cautious about signing guys w/bad reps. Hall is one such guy.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

That was the point of the entire thread, whether we should trade the pick for D. Hall. My assertion was IF we traded the pick it should go for a WR rather than a CB.

I said no. Go through Draft. You made comments about the offense that I disagree with also. We're still going to run allot more than you think. I guess lets just wait and see. Wanna bet me?

I say we run 40-45% in 08'. 100 bucks.