GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But wouldn't you agree that any bad decisions made by an inept President could be pretty damaging to society in general? Obviously there's a ton of responsibility that comes with that position, and if you're making bad decisions that impacts millions of people I fail to see where a seperation between the person and his decision making needs to be made. By making the decsions that he has, he's shown us the kind of person he is.

That bolded conclusion, I couldn't disagree with more.

The rest...yeah, I mean, absoultely. You don't have to vote for him, and I'm sure you didn't. You also are totally allowed, as are we all, to voice your opinion to him in the proper setting, or just talk about his poor decision making behind his back. But the problem comes when you decide that he deserves no respect whatsoever as a man...then you've probably crossed a line you shouldn't have.

I have to bow out here. Good points on both sides.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I agree. I don't think I would ever boo a president no matter what I thought of him or his actions.

Agreed. That goes for bad conservative presidents and bad liberal ones too. I certainly see the "other side" of things though.

[onlydarksets]

Now I'm rethinking - after Bush leaves office, it could be appropriate to boo him if he is, in context, promoting those same ideals that led to such disastrous decision making while he was president. So, if he's doing a Katrina charity event, it would be inappropriate to boo him. If he's giving a keynote speech supporting some political initiative, it could be appropriate to boo.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That bolded conclusion, I couldn't disagree with more.

The rest...yeah, I mean, absoultely. You don't have to vote for him, and I'm sure you didn't. You also are totally allowed, as are we all, to voice your opinion to him in the proper setting, or just talk about his poor decision making behind his back. But the problem comes when you decide that he deserves no respect whatsoever as a man...then you've probably crossed a line you shouldn't have.

I have to bow out here. Good points on both sides.

Just to be clear I'm not saying he deserves no respect. He doesn't have an easy job that's for sure. So for that, I respect him and I respect what his position represents.

But to me his decisions and actions are a clear representation of the kind of man he is. That applies to everyone. The decisions you make are a reflection of who you are as a person. Otherwise aren't you living a lie and not being true to yourself??

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have to say no, because if that is to be correct, then all people who make bad decisions or stupid decisions or are just generally wrong all the time (like offiss) would be BAD people, and if we disagreed with them, we would HATE them.

I don't believe this to be the case. I bet 90% of the people who booed GW claim to hate the man, but again, these aren't the brightest bulbs we are speaking about.

Yes, Matty, your actions make you what you are. If you make bad decisions as the president of the US, it makes you an inept president. It does not make you a bad person and the people who cant distinguish the two are the simpletons in question.

This is how I see it and I think it is the biggest problem in country today in terms of politics and governance. Our political machine and it machinations, media, proganda, marketing, have turned our system into one of hate and emotionality. Are there BAD PEOPLE who get elected? Yeah, but truly bad people don't get elected all that often.

I would say even though a large majority of our elected officials have relatively large egos and are seeking some type of power I also believe that they do honestly believe they can do what is best for whatever their constiuency is. I believe this firmly of GW. I don't agree with a lot of what he has done and I strongly disagree with a few of the things he has done but I don't hate the guy. I don't think he is pure evil like so many idealogues would like us to believe. I strongly believe the guy has thought he was doing what was best for the country. It makes him a bad President, not a bad person. If you hate someone for being not very good at something then I pity you.

I don't hate Spurrier for being such a crap HC. And he was at least as bad at being HC as Bush is at being President.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Personally, there's no way I'd want to take a picture with that prick. And I wouldn't pretend to be his best friend either. I wouldn't even want to shake the guy's hand to be honest.

So you are saying that GW is a prick...how so? Do you think he honestly doesn't have our country's best interest at heart?

I think as US Americans (um...Americans) we should have some sort of respect for the President whether Rep or Dem. Booing the president is everyones right but i kind of look at it as a little rude and disrespectful IMO.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

People don't understand that when you boo the President of the United States of America, you're not just booing GWB, you're booing everything that that office stands for. It's unacceptable but not unexpected from our rapidly degrading society.

Exactly.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Personally, there's no way I'd want to take a picture with that prick. And I wouldn't pretend to be his best friend either. I wouldn't even want to shake the guy's hand to be honest.

Do you think he's really evil or just incompetent? And which would bother you more ultimately, to have a bad president or to have a mean president? What if you had the opportuntity to shake his hand on September 12, 2001? Was your perception different then?

I personally don't know what booing the President really accomplishes (other than some self satisfaction, I suppose), unless one thinks that by booing your influencing the opinions of others. But what will it matter if they don't go out and vote. And if they vote one way or another based on cheers/boos at a baseball game then what does that say about the people voting?

[BleedBurgundy]

What I don't think is getting across is that "booing" in general is boorish behavior. You want to criticize, that is everyone's God-given and Constitutionally guaranteed right, but it is one thing to say "I have a problem with the manner in which you are doing your job" and another to be making a noise with negative connotations in the direction of the holder of our country's highest office. (wow, that's a run-on sentence) Booing is, by and of itself, rude. Done in the direction of an elected official, especially the President, it's that much worse. My issue is neither with the opinion nor the fact that it is being expressed. My issue is with the manner in which it was expressed.

As for the other arguments being discussed, I think that we all can be fairly judged on the sum of our actions. If you don't judge someone based on what they do, on what do you form an opinion?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do you think he's really evil or just incompetent? And which would bother you more ultimately, to have a bad president or to have a mean president? What if you had the opportuntity to shake his hand on September 12, 2001? Was your perception different then?

I personally don't know what booing the President really accomplishes (other than some self satisfaction, I suppose), unless one thinks that by booing your influencing the opinions of others. But what will it matter if they don't go out and vote. And if they vote one way or another based on cheers/boos at a baseball game then what does that say about the people voting?

I think he's too dumb to be evil.

I was no more of a fan of his on 9/12/01 than I am now. Him yelling through a bull horn on top of a pile of WTC rubbish really didn't change my opinion of him.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Booing is mean and nasty? Like I said, I'm sure 'w' has heard far worse. I'm sure it wasn't the first time he was booed. Hell... he was booed and had eggs tossed at his limo at his inauguration in 2001. LOL

Yeah, real hilarious.

This is why the political scene is so nasty, there are so many people who are completely immature and asinine when they don't agree with someone 100% of the time.

I don't care if you're a mod or not, grow up.

The position of the President needs to be respected no matter who it is or how much you disagree with him. He is not to be called "Bush", "W", "George Jr." or anything other than "President Bush" or "Mr. President".

The same went with "President Clinton" and with our members of Congress, no matter how much of an idiot they make themselves out to be sometimes. They still earned the position and deserve that respect even if you can't respect them individually.

I doubt he'd want to get a picture with someone acting like a prick himself, but he's always completely courteous to EVERYONE he meets, even if they're being immature, vulgar little idiots. When someone yells something or interrupts his speeches, he doesn't miss a beat and doesn't criticize them. I have never seen anything but class from our President, despite the fact that he's received the most horrible crap thrown his way.

Like his politics or not, he's honest with you and tells you what he believes, whether you agree or not. He doesn't govern by polls like the previous President.

You have to respect that. Of course, I doubt you will based on your prior childish comments.

I don't care if you don't call him "your" President because you can't get past politics, stop letting your heart lead your head and learn some respect.

If one of the Democrats I disagree with on nearly every issue is elected in November, sure I'll be disappointed and will publicly disagree with many of their decisions and views, but they will still get the respect of being referred to by the title they earned through votes and their work.

Hey, if you are so much more superior and can do a better job, you can run for the office. You'll get my respect even if I believe you're wrong and horrible for the job.

Also, I can't stand the idiots who say "OOOOOOO" during the National Anthem and the people who keep their hats on. Don't agree with everything your nation is doing? Neither do I, but grow up and have some respect for the nation that has been earned by the lives of brave men and women for over 200 years and has let you live in more freedom, safety and prosperity than any other nation in the world.

If you don't respect the nation, get out.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I am sure you would not boo the troops because you do not like what they are doing

A lot of morons do.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buster

Yeah, real hilarious.

This is why the political scene is so nasty, there are so many people who are completely immature and asinine when they don't agree with someone 100% of the time.

I don't care if you're a mod or not, grow up.

The position of the President needs to be respected no matter who it is or how much you disagree with him. He is not to be called "Bush", "W", "George Jr." or anything other than "President Bush" or "Mr. President".

The same went with "President Clinton" and with our members of Congress, no matter how much of an idiot they make themselves out to be sometimes. They still earned the position and deserve that respect even if you can't respect them individually.

I doubt he'd want to get a picture with someone acting like a prick himself, but he's always completely courteous to EVERYONE he meets, even if they're being immature, vulgar little idiots. When someone yells something or interrupts his speeches, he doesn't miss a beat and doesn't criticize them. I have never seen anything but class from our President, despite the fact that he's received the most horrible crap thrown his way.

Like his politics or not, he's honest with you and tells you what he believes, whether you agree or not. He doesn't govern by polls like the previous President.

You have to respect that. Of course, I doubt you will based on your prior childish comments.

I don't care if you don't call him "your" President because you can't get past politics, stop letting your heart lead your head and learn some respect.

If one of the Democrats I disagree with on nearly every issue is elected in November, sure I'll be disappointed and will publicly disagree with many of their decisions and views, but they will still get the respect of being referred to by the title they earned through votes and their work.

Hey, if you are so much more superior and can do a better job, you can run for the office. You'll get my respect even if I believe you're wrong and horrible for the job.

Also, I can't stand the idiots who say "OOOOOOO" during the National Anthem and the people who keep their hats on. Don't agree with everything your nation is doing? Neither do I, but grow up and have some respect for the nation that has been earned by the lives of brave men and women for over 200 years and has let you live in more freedom, safety and prosperity than any other nation in the world.

If you don't respect the nation, get out.

Where did I say it was hilarious? My 'LOL' was based on the fact that I said he's heard far worse than boos and I used that as an example.

If anything I thought his inauguration was a sad commentary on a botched election and a president that the general population didn't elect.

I guess you missed some of my other posts, I never said I had no respect for the guy. And just because I'm not a fan of the president that means I have no respect for the nation? Now we're really jumping to conclusions huh?

Think twice before you jump on someone next time and maybe take some of your own advice about growing up.

[DynamiteRave]

As a Dem, I don't even think the guy deserves to be booed. If I have such a problem with him I just wouldn't say anything.

I think silence would really have made a better impression than booing the guy. That just makes Americans look terribly unclassy.

Bush may have sucked with flying colors but at least he tried, his 8 years is up and its the end. I think its time for people to start getting over it.

[MTK]

And for the record I personally wouldn't boo the guy. Just to make that clear. I just don't have a problem with those that want to.