Another Vinny Special: Deangelo Hall

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think to drop something you have to be near it. Smoot was getting burned all day long. Seems like as soon as you get rid of Leigh Torrence, somebody else has to take his spot. At this rate, Smoot is better as a dime back rather than a Nickel... Keep this up and he'll end up solely on special teams (we are in need of a new Ade...)

Ok should we put Tryon out here as the nickle so you guys can complain about him too.?

[skins89moss]

Maybe Greg Blache could mix up our defense schemes and have our corners blitz sometimes like they use to do with S. Springs. As for Carlos good physical corner but does have trouble making interceptions. Hall has never been a physical corner but he has good ball skills and he can run. If we want our secondary to play better we need to get more pressure on the QB and not get behind by 10 or more points many games.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Hmm, TO is being covered tonight and he's only caught one ball. I wonder who's covering him? Oh, it's the guy that's always hurt and over the hill. SHAWN SPRINGS!! Still doing it.

he'll be hurt in two weeks.

[GTripp0012]

I do have something nice to say about Hall, and that's the fact that he's pretty good at not getting beat deep. Even the best receivers in the league can't really get behind him.

Due to this, bad quarterbacks do struggle a LOT against DeAngelo Hall. Not being able to complete a pass against him is a pretty good indication that a quarterback doesn't have "the goods".

Next 5 weeks, the best quarterback we face is Byron Leftwich, assuming he's healthy. Delhomme, Cassel, Bulger, and Stafford all sort of suck in their own ways.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I do have something nice to say about Hall, and that's the fact that he's pretty good at not getting beat deep. Even the best receivers in the league can't really get behind him.

Due to this, bad quarterbacks do struggle a LOT against DeAngelo Hall. Not being able to complete a pass against him is a pretty good indication that a quarterback doesn't have "the goods".

Next 5 weeks, the best quarterback we face is Byron Leftwich, assuming he's healthy. Delhomme, Cassel, Bulger, and Stafford all sort of suck in their own ways.

See, that wasn't so hard was it?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

See, that wasn't so hard was it?

I actually feel warm and fuzzy now

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I actually feel warm and fuzzy now

LOL.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I do have something nice to say about Hall, and that's the fact that he's pretty good at not getting beat deep. Even the best receivers in the league can't really get behind him.

Due to this, bad quarterbacks do struggle a LOT against DeAngelo Hall. Not being able to complete a pass against him is a pretty good indication that a quarterback doesn't have "the goods".

Next 5 weeks, the best quarterback we face is Byron Leftwich, assuming he's healthy. Delhomme, Cassel, Bulger, and Stafford all sort of suck in their own ways.

You are talking about DeAngello Hall right?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

You are talking about DeAngello Hall right?

Yeah. I did a TD/INT ratio for corners, and Hall actually grades out pretty well. But if you do TD + First Downs/INT rate, just a small adjustment, he's one of the worst in the league.

Any quarterback that can throw in rhythm can beat him. Those who aren't rhythm passers are at a major disadvantage.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah. I did a TD/INT ratio for corners, and Hall actually grades out pretty well. But if you do TD + First Downs/INT rate, just a small adjustment, he's one of the worst in the league.

Any quarterback that can throw in rhythm can beat him. Those who aren't rhythm passers are at a major disadvantage.

So...would you say the rhythm is gonna get him?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I do have something nice to say about Hall, and that's the fact that he's pretty good at not getting beat deep. Even the best receivers in the league can't really get behind him.

Due to this, bad quarterbacks do struggle a LOT against DeAngelo Hall. Not being able to complete a pass against him is a pretty good indication that a quarterback doesn't have "the goods".

Next 5 weeks, the best quarterback we face is Byron Leftwich, assuming he's healthy. Delhomme, Cassel, Bulger, and Stafford all sort of suck in their own ways.

I don't think Bulger sucks. He's a capable NFL QB if he's got good players around him. He's just on a bad team. Delhomme? He sucks. Real bad.

[skinsfan69]

Everyone needs to give Hall a few weeks. He played a bad game. It's not the end of the world. I wouldn't have given him all that money but let's see how he plays the next few weeks. Let's hope he rebounds.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think Bulger sucks. He's a capable NFL QB if he's got good players around him. He's just on a bad team. Delhomme? He sucks. Real bad.

Bulger is Roethlisberger without the ability to break tackles or otherwise extend the play. In other words, he plays to the quality of the defense.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Bulger is Roethlisberger without the ability to break tackles or otherwise extend the play. In other words, he plays to the quality of the defense.

Well we won't see Bulger improvise. But he's shown that if he's got people around him he can play at a high level. But he's certainly not going to carry an offense. I'd say he's an average NFL QB that's playing on a bad team. On a side note I think Steven Jackson is one of the best backs in the league but he's stuck in STL. Put him on Minn and you might see him put up numbers like AP does.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well we won't see Bulger improvise. But he's shown that if he's got people around him he can play at a high level. But he's certainly not going to carry an offense. I'd say he's an average NFL QB that's playing on a bad team. On a side note I think Steven Jackson is one of the best backs in the league but he's stuck in STL. Put him on Minn and you might see him put up numbers like AP does.

That's probably about right.

Jackson is pretty great, and especially effective in the passing game.