If Russell Okung is gone?

Larry Michael is Satan · 04-14-2010, 05:05 PM

The consensus no-brainer pick for the Skins is Russell Okung. We obviously need a starting Left Tackle, he's the highest rated.
There is a fair chance though, that he will be taken before we pick. I don't think it's a certainty that the #2 and #3 picks will both be DT's.

So what would you do then? Would other teams be willing to trade the farm for McCoy? What if Suh was there? Would you just take Trent Williams or Bulaga there and go home, or is there going to be a strong market for one of those DT's? If so, from who?

MTK · 04-14-2010, 05:08 PM

There's already been talk that we could take Trent Williams even if Okung is there...

r08kessl · 04-14-2010, 05:10 PM

Honestly that might be the best scenario for the Redskins. Assuming Bradford goes one, Okung 2, and one of the DT's 3 (I don't think it matters which one because everyone loves both to a degree), that makes the fourth pick look very attractive. You still have one elite DT, Eric Berry, the only other first round rated QB in the class, most of the elite OT's, and the pick of every other position in the draft. IF this happens I think there's a good chance we could end up getting a pretty sweet deal.

Larry Michael is Satan · 04-14-2010, 05:22 PM

I feel like if Suh fell to 4th, the return on a trade would be too good to pass up. We'd miss out on the top, top LT's, but I wouldn't complain.

Dirtbag59 · 04-14-2010, 05:25 PM

History shows that Suh and McCoy are more likely to bust then QB's.

SFREDSKIN · 04-14-2010, 05:45 PM

We should still trade down and get an extra pick and if possible in the 2nd or 3rd round (if we get a pick somehow) draft this guy:

2010 NFL draft: South Florida defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul has quietly established himself as a first-round pick - ESPN

GTripp0012 · 04-14-2010, 05:54 PM

If Okung is gone, Trent Williams is a nice consolation price. If Okung is the ibuprofen for McNabb's ailments, Williams is at least a warm blanket.

Even though I have Suh and McCoy 1, and 1a in grades, I would consider taking Suh with the fourth pick, but not McCoy. The worst possible outcome of the first three picks for us is 1) Bradford, 2) Okung, 3) Suh, because at that point, Williams should be best available.

Again, I don't have an issue with picking Williams over Suh for need, even if Suh grades out higher. When you only have one choice in the top 100, need has to be a primary consideration.

In any situation where Okung is gone, trading down is a great alternative to making a pick.

Schneed10 · 04-14-2010, 05:56 PM

Williams seems more athletic, might be the better fit for zone blocking anyway.

NYCskinfan82 · 04-14-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Williams seems more athletic, might be the better fit for zone blocking anyway.

That's what people are saying, I would like more picks regardless meaning trade back.

GTripp0012 · 04-14-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

History shows that Suh and McCoy are more likely to bust then QB's.

Also: more likely to boom.

Quarterbacks are rarely boom-or-busts types, and most don't bust without a continuous push off the cliff from their organization. However, the great quarterbacks appear to be much rarer than the great defensive lineman, at least in terms of the draft.

But yeah, DL, more than other positions, has the potential to produce a highly paid draft choice who simply doesn't have the ability to rush the passer at the next level.

geichidanman · 04-14-2010, 06:46 PM

If Okung is gone, the skins will trade back and would be smart to do so. Williams is nice, but he's also the one that was responsible for Bradford getting absolutely leveled.

jdc65 · 04-15-2010, 12:44 AM

I would want to trade down if Okung is gone. My fear is there wouldn't be a quality offer for the pick. I really don't like Williams at 4. I would be OK with Suh or McCoy if they went there as it does seem possible Haynesworth will be dealt. If we come out of this draft with Suh/McCoy and Brown/Saffold, I would consider it a good draft. That would at least be 2 quality starters, and take some of the pain away of losing Albert.

tryfuhl · 04-15-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by geichidanman

If Okung is gone, the skins will trade back and would be smart to do so. Williams is nice, but he's also the one that was responsible for Bradford getting absolutely leveled.

Welcome to the board man

Yeah it was his assignment but nearly every tackle has given up a sack in college

GTripp0012 · 04-15-2010, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Yeah it was his assignment but nearly every tackle has given up a sack in college

You're tellin me.

Dirtbag59 · 04-15-2010, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by geichidanman

If Okung is gone, the skins will trade back and would be smart to do so. Williams is nice, but he's also the one that was responsible for Bradford getting absolutely leveled.

The difference between Williams at the start of the year and the end of year is apparently pretty large.

04-14-2010, 05:05 PM	#1
Larry Michael is Satan Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 123	If Russell Okung is gone? The consensus no-brainer pick for the Skins is Russell Okung. We obviously need a starting Left Tackle, he's the highest rated. There is a fair chance though, that he will be taken before we pick. I don't think it's a certainty that the #2 and #3 picks will both be DT's. So what would you do then? Would other teams be willing to trade the farm for McCoy? What if Suh was there? Would you just take Trent Williams or Bulaga there and go home, or is there going to be a strong market for one of those DT's? If so, from who?

04-14-2010, 05:22 PM	#4
Larry Michael is Satan Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 123	Re: If Russell Okung is gone? I feel like if Suh fell to 4th, the return on a trade would be too good to pass up. We'd miss out on the top, top LT's, but I wouldn't complain.

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04-14-2010, 05:54 PM	#7
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: If Russell Okung is gone? If Okung is gone, Trent Williams is a nice consolation price. If Okung is the ibuprofen for McNabb's ailments, Williams is at least a warm blanket. Even though I have Suh and McCoy 1, and 1a in grades, I would consider taking Suh with the fourth pick, but not McCoy. The worst possible outcome of the first three picks for us is 1) Bradford, 2) Okung, 3) Suh, because at that point, Williams should be best available. Again, I don't have an issue with picking Williams over Suh for need, even if Suh grades out higher. When you only have one choice in the top 100, need has to be a primary consideration. In any situation where Okung is gone, trading down is a great alternative to making a pick. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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04-14-2010, 05:10 PM	#3
r08kessl Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 75	Re: If Russell Okung is gone? Honestly that might be the best scenario for the Redskins. Assuming Bradford goes one, Okung 2, and one of the DT's 3 (I don't think it matters which one because everyone loves both to a degree), that makes the fourth pick look very attractive. You still have one elite DT, Eric Berry, the only other first round rated QB in the class, most of the elite OT's, and the pick of every other position in the draft. IF this happens I think there's a good chance we could end up getting a pretty sweet deal.

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Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,422	Re: If Russell Okung is gone? Williams seems more athletic, might be the better fit for zone blocking anyway. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

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geichidanman Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 12	Re: If Russell Okung is gone? If Okung is gone, the skins will trade back and would be smart to do so. Williams is nice, but he's also the one that was responsible for Bradford getting absolutely leveled.

04-15-2010, 12:44 AM	#12
jdc65 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 246	Re: If Russell Okung is gone? I would want to trade down if Okung is gone. My fear is there wouldn't be a quality offer for the pick. I really don't like Williams at 4. I would be OK with Suh or McCoy if they went there as it does seem possible Haynesworth will be dealt. If we come out of this draft with Suh/McCoy and Brown/Saffold, I would consider it a good draft. That would at least be 2 quality starters, and take some of the pain away of losing Albert.

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