Media Hypocricy

[ST21]

Coles.....He Gone

[wordsmithgk]

Two small speedy receivers in two days with Patten and Moss. Will this year's team resemble the one with Brown and Sanders. Who will be the big receiver to play the role Monk played on those teams?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by wordsmithgk

Two small speedy receivers in two days with Patten and Moss. Will this year's team resemble the one with Brown and Sanders. Who will be the big receiver to play the role Monk played on those teams?

Mike Williams!

[mooby]

i totally agree with paintrain on this one.

[jdlea]

I'm glad they're not going crazy this offseason.

[monk81]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I've been thinking the same thing these last few days, but some fans are just as guilty as the media is of this. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Can't argue with that Matty.......we fans are a difficult bunch aren't we

I have been impressed with Snyder this year, he's really stepped back into the shadows and let Gibbs and Vince run things.....

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by wordsmithgk

Two small speedy receivers in two days with Patten and Moss. Will this year's team resemble the one with Brown and Sanders. Who will be the big receiver to play the role Monk played on those teams?

Contrary to popular belief, I think they may not take a top WR in the draft and may actually give McCants a shot at it...at least in training camp. And if that doesn't work out, I could see them going without a bigger possession guy, and just go with Thrash and/or Jacobs in that role, even though they don't really have the size (both about 6'0", 200 lbs.). Actually, I think this could be the year where Jacobs really breaks out....Gibbs had nothing but good things to say about him last season, and he, like McCants, kind of got stuck behind the more experienced veteran guys.
No matter what happens, it should be a good training camp competition to see who emerges....even though most people assume they will be, I don't necessarily think that Moss and Patten are automatically the starters...they still need to earn their spots. And the competition will make ALL of them better!

[mooby]

what about gardner. what will happen to him if we don't work out a trade. will he be the #3 receiver?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by monk81

Can't argue with that Matty.......we fans are a difficult bunch aren't we

I have been impressed with Snyder this year, he's really stepped back into the shadows and let Gibbs and Vince run things.....

I'm sure the media is very disappointed about this, they were just waiting to see if Danny would step on Gibbs' toes and whip out the checkbook and start signing every FA in sight.

Instead we addressed a couple needs at center and WR, and seem to be done for now.

Usually the Skins are known for making waves in free agency, this year it's barely been a ripple.

[mooby]

maybe that's because they don't have any room under the salary cap to breathe. if we hadn't wasted all our money on a few busts in free agency maybe daniel snyder would have his checkbook out right now.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Snyder is target for criticism because he seems to find ways to do things wrong. Let's see how you can explain all of this - and I'm not going back into history to talk about Mark Carrier and Jeff George and Cousin Brucie here...

In January, the report was that Samuels and his agent proposed a restructuring deal that called for Samuels to get a $13M signing bonus over a five year deal with a sixth year option. The report was that the Redskins rejected that offer categorically. Remember, Danny Boy does the "big time negotiations" as witnessed by the breathless threads here about reports that Danny Boy and Samuel's agent were having dinner and that Danny Boy would surely make things OK. Well Danny Boy showed yet again that he may be a marketing whiz but doesn't know his ass from a goalpost in football. The market for offensive tackles went way beyond Samuel's proposal and the agent would not even begin to talk about the offer he had proposed only a couple of weeks prior. So the Skins had to cough up almost $16M to get Samuels and the deal is six full years - no option to get out after five. Who put the team in that bind? The person who categorically rejected the offer in January. I don't think that was the equipment manager...

Let's talk about the brilliant moves surrounding the Coles' situation. First of all, the cap hit would have been less if Danny Boy had not given Coles a $13M signing bonus when Coles was asking for a $10M signing bonus three years ago. You can't hang that one on Gibbs or Spurrier or Schottenheimer or anyone else; that was Danny Boy. Now fast forward to this year when Coles says he wants out of Washington. The instant the team decided to honor that request, it became absolutely imperative for the team to enlist Coles' help in making his departure as cap friendly as possible. Somehow, everything went the other way. Coles was going to go before the March deadline making the 2005 hit a bit less burdensome but then he felt as if the Skins "reneged" on whatever understanding there was. "Reneged" is a tough word and that is exactly the word used by Coles' agent. "Reneged" translates into "you didn't hold up your end of the deal so now I'm going to be an even bigger pain in your ass". Who did that? Who gave the impression of reneging - even if no real reneging actually happened? And remember, we don't know if Coles is a weasel or Danny boy is a weasel here - or if they both are... But just remember that LaVar Arrington also thinks the team "reneged" on an understanding he had with them and that is now in arbitration. Interesting...

Now negotiations with Santana Moss and his agent will begin and Danny Boy is not in a position of strength here. Moss is dirt cheap this year but he is a free agent at the end of the year. So, if they want to lock him up it will take a nice signing bonus and a multi-year deal to make that happen. They can structure the deal so it is cap friendly for this year but they are going to have to commit to Santana Moss for a long time even without seeing him perform here. Or they run the risk of him being a free agent next year and walking - meaning they get one-year of a replacement for Coles as part of their trade. That's not a lot more than you would have gotten by releasing Coles in February so look for the Skins not to take that chance. Moss will get a fat deal here and it will probably be announced pretty soon.

[mooby]

yeah but oh well. as far as lavar goes he signed a nine year contract back in 2003. that obviously says he wants to be a redskin long term. as far as santana moss goes, why don't we go through half the season to see what he's like, then offer him a big contract extension if he performs at a better level than coles.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I'm glad they're not going crazy this offseason.

The Redskins FO may not be going crazy this offseason, but we are!

The one move I had hoped that they wouldn't make this year, is the offer to Ray Brown! Last year, I wished they would have dropped Ade Jimoh! I'm going to be 0fer2!

Everything else seems to be a supreme effort to balance the books toward next year. Biting the bullet seems to be the FO and Locker Room motto this year!

[sportscurmudgeon]

Mooby:

Here's the Skins' risk in dragging their feet with a Moss deal. Suppose it is the 9th game of the season and Moss has 55 catches for 1000 yards already. His free agency value has just skyrocketed and at that point there is no reason whatsoever for him to agree to any deal the Skins put in front of him because he can go on the open market and let a bunch of teams try to sign him.

In addition, if Moss is not signed by the end of April, the Skins will not know if they need to spend a high draft pick on a WR or not.

So, my guess is they sign Santana Moss by the end of March to a long term deal. If it workd out, good for everyone. If he does not live up to expectations, it will be another signing bonus to swallow.

[MTK]

I agree SC, I don't think it's a question of will we sign Moss to a new deal, it's only a question of when.

I'm guessing sooner rather than later, once Coles and Moss pass their physicals to make the deal official, I think we might see a contract announcement soon after, if a deal hasn't been penciled in already.