AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.

[celts32]

Allen is clearly setting the table to move down in round 1 even if he gets less then the perceived market value.

[MTK]

Do any teams really stick to the points chart anymore? It may be used as a rough guideline, but I think it's going by the wayside now.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

who gives a crap about voluntary workouts? the crucial things is he skipped a minicamp. Shanahan's first minicamp. Hasletts first minicamp. Haynesworth first opportunity to learn and get practice in the new defense. THAT's what i'm concerned about. Or what I would be concerned about if I felt Haynesworth were going to be part of the team this year. Its time for people to stop whining and recognize the fact that Haynesworth will be wearing another uniform in 2010.

He is a defensive lineman, not a QB. This a non-contact voluntary camp. Figuring out what your gap responsibility in a system will take all of a week. That is waht summer training camp is for. DAve Butz and Riggins never attended these voluntary camps. The sky is not falling.
Fact that he will be wearing another uniform? LOL!
Unless you are Shanahan, Allen or Snyder you do not know shit!

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Rumored to be part of one trade, and that was a package deal for Brandon Marshall.

Also,

Redskins' Allen Sees Draft As Chance To Improve

Anytime a first round pick is traded, Jimmy Johnson’s famous point value chart is cited to determine if each team got fair value.

Allen and Shanahan don’t subscribe to that philosophy.

“It really is a deterrent to trading,” Allen said. “If you analyze [the chart], it takes so many draft choices to move up just a few slots. That’s prevented a lot of people from making more moves on draft day.”

Of what I've seen of the draft chart it really seems dated & backwards in relation to the cap. The Patriots try to move back every year to draft more in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. These picks aren't high value on the chart compared to top 10 picks, but they don't cost so much. It seems every team has figured out that trading into the top 10 is rarely worth it due to the salary & the cost in picks to move up.

If anything, the chart should weigh the economic impact of the top picks, thus reducing their point totals. As it is now, most teams operate counter intuitively to the chart.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

He is a defensive lineman, not a QB. This a non-contact voluntary camp. Figuring out what your gap responsibility in a system will take all of a week. That is waht summer training camp is for. DAve Butz and Riggins never attended these voluntary camps. The sky is not falling.
Fact that he will be wearing another uniform? LOL!
Unless you are Shanahan, Allen or Snyder you do not know shit!

That is pretty much what Doc Walker said. He said that Al missing this mini-camp is irrelevant.

[redsk1]

I just get the feeling that AH will be traded on draft day. I imagine though that things may have to break right for the teams who want AH, Detroit and Tennessee. So like everything it's not etched in stone. Maybe it's a case of swapping 1sts w/ Tenn and them throwing in a 2nd this year and next or something along those lines.

It's getting close so i think i'm just thinking of crazy scenarios. Draft day will come and we'll take Okung and we'll be done w/ it.

[Defensewins]

The people in the business to sell newspapers or TV media are taking rumor and spinning it like it is fact and some of you guys are swallowing it like it is fact.
Until Shanahan, Allen, Snyder or AH (or his agent) is quoted then it is fact.
If snake oil salesmen like La Canforna and his rumor mongering buddies say it, it is not fact...it is rumor....until it happens.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

who gives a crap about voluntary workouts? the crucial things is he skipped a minicamp. Shanahan's first minicamp. Hasletts first minicamp. Haynesworth first opportunity to learn and get practice in the new defense. THAT's what i'm concerned about. Or what I would be concerned about if I felt Haynesworth were going to be part of the team this year. Its time for people to stop whining and recognize the fact that Haynesworth will be wearing another uniform in 2010.

Who's whining?

Not the people wanting him to stay...the whiners are the ones saying he should go.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

Who's whining?

Not the people wanting him to stay...the whiners are the ones saying he should go.

haha, no doubt

[diehardskin2982]

I think AH is nothing more than a chip to build this team at this point. Whether he wants to be here or not he is being used to build the roster. I think the redskins will send him to Detroit for their second and something else. They will then draft okung and we will move down using suh as the ammunition and still draft Williams. We will pick up a 3rd in moving down giving us a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and a 7th.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I think AH is nothing more than a chip to build this team at this point. Whether he wants to be here or not he is being used to build the roster. I think the redskins will send him to Detroit for their second and something else. They will then draft okung and we will move down using suh as the ammunition and still draft Williams. We will pick up a 3rd in moving down giving us a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and a 7th.

If we send him to Detroit, they're drafting Okung. Both of their lines would be strengthened then.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Do any teams really stick to the points chart anymore? It may be used as a rough guideline, but I think it's going by the wayside now.

Could be. IMO It seems that when it's a straight pick for picks trade in that years draft it comes out somewhat close to the chart most times. When players or even future year picks are inserted into a deal it tends to change everything. It seemed like NY moved up for Sanchez for next to nothing last year in my eyes just becasue Mangenus put some over-inflated value on his former Jet players.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Do any teams really stick to the points chart anymore? It may be used as a rough guideline, but I think it's going by the wayside now.

Smart teams like New England stockpile 2nd round picks, because that's where real value is. Considering the ridiculous rookie slotting system of 1st round contracts, Suh and G. McCoy will make guaranteed money comparable to the obscene amount that we threw at Haynesworth. I really hope that the next CBA limits rookie pay in favor of proven veterans. Let a player prove it on the field before he can break the bank.

[SBXVII]

I just don't get it. I do know you can't have it two ways. Either M.Shanahan is telling the truth or he's not.

Everyone is quick to point out that Shanahan said "T.O. is not in the Redskins plans." Meaning we will not be picking up T.O., but don't hesitate to question the fact that Shanahan said AH is a Redskin and is contracted and will remain a Redskin.

If Shanahan is telling the truth about T.O. then the obvious is also true...AH will not be traded.

Unless Shanahan is lying which means he could be lying about T.O. also. which is it?

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Smart teams like New England stockpile 2nd round picks, because that's where real value is. Considering the ridiculous rookie slotting system of 1st round contracts, Suh and G. McCoy will make guaranteed money comparable to the obscene amount that we threw at Haynesworth. I really hope that the next CBA limits rookie pay in favor of proven veterans. Let a player prove it on the field before he can break the bank.

I ain't trying to hate buttttt hell yeah give the money to the proven Vet.