NBA Screwed?: James Leaning Towards Heat

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Gilbert's response was very unprofessional. He didn't have to wish LeBron well, but he could have said we are very disappointed he didn't return to Cleavland and displayed his decision the way he did(national tv, etc.). Cavs will always be competitive, etc etc etc.

No need to come off as childish and emotional. I understand where he is coming from and the frustration is something I would have too if I were a fan(especially the way Lebron has gone about this). I am only 23, but I have learned not to go on the record and say something in the professional world, when I am upset, emotional, etc. Got to take a step back, think about the implications of what you are saying, and wait before you say something.

Gilbert should think of LeBron as a coupon he just saved millions of dollars by having him sign somewhere else.

I know net wise he lost a ton but I am trying to cheer the guy up.

[CRedskinsRule]

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

My gut says the NBA is more popular than the MLB, how to prove it I don't know.

Revenue, that's how you measure it. Ticket sales, merchandise sales, concession sales, and TV revenue.

It is not, MLB crushes it.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Revenue, that's how you measure it. Ticket sales, merchandise sales, concession sales, and TV revenue.

It is not, MLB crushes it.

Proof?

[SmootSmack]

I don't know what Cleveland is complaining about...they got Bobby Engram!

Browns sign Bobby Engram - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[CRedskinsRule]

SportingNews.com: NBA megadeals prove NFL players aren't overpaid ...
Jul 7, 2010 ... Total revenue by sport. 1. MLB ($6.6 billion) 2. NFL ($6.5 billion) 3. NBA ($3.2 billion) 4. NHL ($2.4 billion). The percentage of revenue ...
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../sportingnewscom-nba-megadeals-prove-nfl-players-arent-overpaid/ - Cached

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

SportingNews.com: NBA megadeals prove NFL players aren't overpaid ...
Jul 7, 2010 ... Total revenue by sport. 1. MLB ($6.6 billion) 2. NFL ($6.5 billion) 3. NBA ($3.2 billion) 4. NHL ($2.4 billion). The percentage of revenue ...
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../sportingnewscom-nba-megadeals-prove-nfl-players-arent-overpaid/ - Cached

Fair enough, thanks!


Poor S10, right now he is scrambling putting together massive pivot charts and tables trying to show proof, when this is all I needed. =)

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Fair enough, thanks!


Poor S10, right now he is scrambling putting together massive pivot charts and tables trying to show proof, when this is all I needed. =)

Nah, CRedskins did me the solid. I was just going to say something to the effect of "how come you didn't know that??"

I thought it was common knowledge that baseball dominates the NBA in popularity.

[MTK]

MLB crushes the NBA? Are we sure about that, especially when taking into account worldwide popularity? Shouldn't we also consider other factors such as merch sales, TV ratings, etc.

Of course baseball trumps them in revenue, bigger stadiums, more games. That factor has to be taken into account.

Pretty sure NBA TV ratings are higher than MLB.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

SportingNews.com: NBA megadeals prove NFL players aren't overpaid ...
Jul 7, 2010 ... Total revenue by sport. 1. MLB ($6.6 billion) 2. NFL ($6.5 billion) 3. NBA ($3.2 billion) 4. NHL ($2.4 billion). The percentage of revenue ...
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/.../sportingnewscom-nba-megadeals-prove-nfl-players-arent-overpaid/ - Cached

So that's revenue that includes everything then-tickets sales, tv, merchandise? And does that factor in the fact that (looking only at MLB vs. NBA, NFL is clearly at the head of the class) that the NBA season is half as long as MLB's?

Most people do say MLB is more popular though when polled, though I think NBA is growing at a faster rate internationally (not sure on that though)

Either way, been a season ticket holder of the Wizards for over 15 years. Love the NBA, in spite of some its flaws. And yeah I like to watch the superstars play, what's wrong with that? Realize that a handful of teams have won it all the past several years (Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Pistons) but is that so different from Patriots, Steelers, Cowboys, Broncos? And I think there are plenty of teams with a legit chance to win it all each year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

MLB crushes the NBA? Are we sure about that, especially when taking into account worldwide popularity? Shouldn't we also consider other factors such as merch sales, TV ratings, etc.

Of course baseball trumps them in revenue, bigger stadiums, more games. That factor has to be taken into account.

Pretty sure NBA TV ratings are higher than MLB.

Beat me to it

Regular season ratings NBA has tended to do better than MLB, wheres it's slightly the reverse during the playoffs.

NBA tends to do a bit better on digital platforms

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

MLB crushes the NBA? Are we sure about that, especially when taking into account worldwide popularity? Shouldn't we also consider other factors such as merch sales, TV ratings, etc.

Of course baseball trumps them in revenue, bigger stadiums, more games. That factor has to be taken into account.

Pretty sure NBA TV ratings are higher than MLB.

But NBA ticket prices are higher than baseball's, and the size of the stadiums match the demand for tickets. If teams thought they could sell more tickets, they'd build bigger arenas, no matter how bad the sight lines got.

Merchandise sales would be included in the revenue numbers you're seeing there.

[Schneed10]

While the MLB regular season is longer, the NBA post season is much longer, with more teams involved and hence more games.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

While the MLB regular season is longer, the NBA post season is much longer, with more teams involved and hence more games.

Still it is a huge dealt it is almost as big as the NBA's entire season (1144 games), consider the regular season and if you played ever playoff series to 7 games. That is a lot more opportunity for more revenue for the MLB.

MLB

15 x 162 2430
7 series x 7 49

2479 total games

NBA
15x 82 1230
15 series x 7 105

1335 total games


I leaning towards Matty's TV ratings as a better gauge.

[Monkeydad]

I can't blame him for leaving Cleveland...they will never win there, with or without LeBron James.

I also can't criticize him for wanting to win, or taking less than Max Contract money to assemble a better team.

However, I don't think the Heat will win. They have 3 VERY expensive players, who will leave room for Mike Miller (barely) and 8 more minimum contract scrubs. The bench will have zero depth barring any surprise stepping up from minimum wage players.

I think he should have gone to the Bulls. Their overall roster is far superior than Miami's gutted team to afford 3 top free agents. They have Derrick Rose, who could end up being as good as Wade, Boozer (comparable to Bosh when healthy), Noah, Deng, Taj Gibson is a good young talent, even Brad Miller and Pargo are better-than-average players off the bench. I also have doubts about Wade and James co-existing. They will both have to cut back their stats and share the spotlight.

I think LeBron has the right intentions, to win, even if it requires taking less money and sharing the team...but I think he made the wrong choice.

I expect Pay Riley to step back onto the sidelines, firing another coach when it looks like he could come in and get credit for success. I used to respect him a lot as a coach, but it seems he is only willing to coach when it looks like things are going good. When the team struggles, he steps back into an office job and lets some other temporary coach deal with the team and get the blame.