Courtney Brown (3/15/2005)

SantanaMan · 03-15-2005, 04:59 PM

Redskins | The Favorite to Land Brown? - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:50:38 -0800

Nunyo Demasio, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins could be the favorite to sign free agent DE Courtney Brown (Browns), who was recently released by the Cleveland Browns. According to sources, Brown believes Washington offers an ideal situation since he would reunite with LB LaVar Arrington, who he played with at Penn State. In addition, Brown likes the idea of playing for Gregg Williams, Washington's assistant head coach for defense, and Greg Blache, the defensive line coach known for helping players reach their potential.

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Personally I like the idea of signing Brown, preferably to a deal contingent on playing time - with his recent health issues I feel that we could have them put down as unlikely to be earnt bonuses.
He had the talent to be the #1 overall selection, and we were seriously considering him at either #2 or #3 in that draft if Arrington was picked first - if we were to get him it would mean we would have the first 3 players from that draft on our roster!
I think part of his injury problems COULD BE (1) bad luck and (2) possible poor coaching/technique at Cleveland combined with poor strength/conditioning training?

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-15-2005, 05:00 PM

Very possible. Good post SantanaMan.

Redskins_P · 03-15-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SantanaMan

Redskins | The Favorite to Land Brown? - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:50:38 -0800

Nunyo Demasio, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins could be the favorite to sign free agent DE Courtney Brown (Browns), who was recently released by the Cleveland Browns. According to sources, Brown believes Washington offers an ideal situation since he would reunite with LB LaVar Arrington, who he played with at Penn State. In addition, Brown likes the idea of playing for Gregg Williams, Washington's assistant head coach for defense, and Greg Blache, the defensive line coach known for helping players reach their potential.

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Personally I like the idea of signing Brown, preferably to a deal contingent on playing time - with his recent health issues I feel that we could have them put down as unlikely to be earnt bonuses.
He had the talent to be the #1 overall selection, and we were seriously considering him at either #2 or #3 in that draft if Arrington was picked first - if we were to get him it would mean we would have the first 3 players from that draft on our roster!
I think part of his injury problems COULD BE (1) bad luck and (2) possible poor coaching/technique at Cleveland combined with poor strength/conditioning training?

Welcome to the board SantanaMan.

Nice post.

saden1 · 03-15-2005, 05:11 PM

Brown is black and blue. He is a walking manikin only he is too damaged to be fixed. Even the venerable Lord Duck Tape can’t help him. I say NO to Brown!

SantanaMan · 03-15-2005, 05:13 PM

Thanks Redskins P, been reading the board for quite some time and recently decided to register.

Redskins_P · 03-15-2005, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SantanaMan

Thanks Redskins P, been reading the board for quite some time and recently decided to register.

Bout time! J/K.

Seriously though, you'll enjoy it here.

MTK · 03-15-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SantanaMan

Thanks Redskins P, been reading the board for quite some time and recently decided to register.

welcome!

FRPLG · 03-15-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Sorry guys, but I just don't see what is gained by a one year deal? It's been said before and I agree that the only time you sign players to one year deals is when you are making a run for the ring. I'm as optomistic as they come, but I really don't see this year being THE year. IMO you sign him to a 2-3 year contract with small bonuses and little guaranteed money. If he's a bust, you cut him after a year or two without the salary cap hit. If he's a stud, you keep him and consider renegotiating a longer-term deal that is even more cap-friendly after a year or two.
Let's not forget here, yes he's been injured early and often in his career, but let's not confuse him with some 35 year old, washed up D-lineman who only has a year or two left in the tank. The guy is the same age as Arrington and Samuels. Because he's coming off of injuries, we've got a chance to get him on the cheap. If he can stay healthy, playing under Williams' system, he could be great; which makes this a golden opportunity to make a real steal.
Again, the potential upside, IMO, is much greater than the risk of a couple million $ over the next few years. However, if you don't lock him into a multi-year contract, you lose almost all of that upside. Your best case scenario would be that he turns out to be a stud during a year when you aren't a legitimate contender for the championship and then you either can't resign him because he's on the open market or you have to pay through the nose to keep him. Just doesn't make sense to me. If you are going to sign him at all, it's got to be for more than one year. Otherwise, why bother? Just my opinion.

What he said

BIGREDSKINFAN63 · 03-15-2005, 05:47 PM

i say give the guy a chance.we took a chance on darrell gardner,and he had a good year in washington.if CB had the talent to be a #1 pick,he deserves a 2nd chance.

diehardskin2982 · 03-15-2005, 06:54 PM

if he turns out like smith I'd be quite pissed

SantanaMan · 03-15-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

welcome!

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Thanks Matty!

Yellow31 · 03-15-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Sorry guys, but I just don't see what is gained by a one year deal? It's been said before and I agree that the only time you sign players to one year deals is when you are making a run for the ring. I'm as optomistic as they come, but I really don't see this year being THE year. IMO you sign him to a 2-3 year contract with small bonuses and little guaranteed money. If he's a bust, you cut him after a year or two without the salary cap hit. If he's a stud, you keep him and consider renegotiating a longer-term deal that is even more cap-friendly after a year or two.
Let's not forget here, yes he's been injured early and often in his career, but let's not confuse him with some 35 year old, washed up D-lineman who only has a year or two left in the tank. The guy is the same age as Arrington and Samuels. Because he's coming off of injuries, we've got a chance to get him on the cheap. If he can stay healthy, playing under Williams' system, he could be great; which makes this a golden opportunity to make a real steal.
Again, the potential upside, IMO, is much greater than the risk of a couple million $ over the next few years. However, if you don't lock him into a multi-year contract, you lose almost all of that upside. Your best case scenario would be that he turns out to be a stud during a year when you aren't a legitimate contender for the championship and then you either can't resign him because he's on the open market or you have to pay through the nose to keep him. Just doesn't make sense to me. If you are going to sign him at all, it's got to be for more than one year. Otherwise, why bother? Just my opinion.

This is all great in principle but more than likely if he has a good or really good to great year he would probably hold out for more ca$h anyway...

SantanaMan · 03-16-2005, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Very possible. Good post SantanaMan.

Thanks TheMalcolmConnection, must have missed your post last night!

12thMan · 02-27-2006, 11:59 AM

Hindsight 20/20, how did he do with Denver this year? I really didn't hear much from him.

I guess even with him leaning toward Denver anyway, I think it was still a good
"non-signing" for us.

Sean Taylor is God · 02-27-2006, 12:09 PM

a lot of times pass rushing DE's get good stats but leave gaping holes(Bruce Smith was the worst offender of all time) Wynn and Daniels are not productive from a statistical perspective but they provide a solid push, good run d, and they are good at getting their hands up(which is underated). i think we are better off spending our money on a fa wr.

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03-15-2005, 04:59 PM	#46
SantanaMan Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 224	Re: Courtney Brown Redskins \| The Favorite to Land Brown? - from www.KFFL.com Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:50:38 -0800 Nunyo Demasio, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins could be the favorite to sign free agent DE Courtney Brown (Browns), who was recently released by the Cleveland Browns. According to sources, Brown believes Washington offers an ideal situation since he would reunite with LB LaVar Arrington, who he played with at Penn State. In addition, Brown likes the idea of playing for Gregg Williams, Washington's assistant head coach for defense, and Greg Blache, the defensive line coach known for helping players reach their potential. ... Personally I like the idea of signing Brown, preferably to a deal contingent on playing time - with his recent health issues I feel that we could have them put down as unlikely to be earnt bonuses. He had the talent to be the #1 overall selection, and we were seriously considering him at either #2 or #3 in that draft if Arrington was picked first - if we were to get him it would mean we would have the first 3 players from that draft on our roster! I think part of his injury problems COULD BE (1) bad luck and (2) possible poor coaching/technique at Cleveland combined with poor strength/conditioning training?

03-15-2005, 05:00 PM	#47
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: Courtney Brown Very possible. Good post SantanaMan. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-15-2005, 05:11 PM	#49
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: Courtney Brown Brown is black and blue. He is a walking manikin only he is too damaged to be fixed. Even the venerable Lord Duck Tape can’t help him. I say NO to Brown!

03-15-2005, 05:13 PM	#50
SantanaMan Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 224	Re: Courtney Brown Thanks Redskins P, been reading the board for quite some time and recently decided to register.

03-15-2005, 05:47 PM	#54
BIGREDSKINFAN63 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: bassett-va Age: 61 Posts: 289	Re: Courtney Brown i say give the guy a chance.we took a chance on darrell gardner,and he had a good year in washington.if CB had the talent to be a #1 pick,he deserves a 2nd chance. __________________ "7 days without the redskins, makes one weak!!!"

03-15-2005, 06:54 PM	#55
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Courtney Brown if he turns out like smith I'd be quite pissed __________________ That got ugly fast

02-27-2006, 11:59 AM	#59
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Courtney Brown Hindsight 20/20, how did he do with Denver this year? I really didn't hear much from him. I guess even with him leaning toward Denver anyway, I think it was still a good "non-signing" for us.

02-27-2006, 12:09 PM	#60
Sean Taylor is God Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 68	Re: Courtney Brown a lot of times pass rushing DE's get good stats but leave gaping holes(Bruce Smith was the worst offender of all time) Wynn and Daniels are not productive from a statistical perspective but they provide a solid push, good run d, and they are good at getting their hands up(which is underated). i think we are better off spending our money on a fa wr.

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