The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

[skinsfan69]

And don't get me started on D. Hall.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Still seems to me that the secondary is more the issue and not the front seven. We were way too soft in coverage especially on 3rd downs.

I agree, especially when we are blitzing on 3rd down 90+% of the time. Coverage has to be tighter against the blitz especially on 3rd down. If you are giving up quick slants, bubble screens, and skinny posts for first downs on 3rd and 7+ ytg there is a problem with the coverage behind the blitz.

[GTripp0012]

This was the worst game for our run defense this season, and our pass defense certainly wasn't good (enough) in this game. It was a below average performance from the defense overall.

The offense was worse. Turnovers, three and outs, zero ability in the passing game. Just ugly. We ran the ball better than in the past, which is a lone positive. If you can't pass, you can't win, and we can't pass right now (last week's dominance of a poor Texans defense aside).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This was the worst game for our run defense this season, and our pass defense certainly wasn't good (enough) in this game. It was a below average performance from the defense overall.

The offense was worse. Turnovers, three and outs, zero ability in the passing game. Just ugly. We ran the ball better than in the past, which is a lone positive. If you can't pass, you can't win, and we can't pass right now (last week's dominance of a poor Texans defense aside).

I agree. Lost in all the bashing of the defense is the fact our offense didn't do squat either. Horrible on 3rd downs, turnovers, penalties, settling for FGs in the red zone, piss poor.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

D Hall's position on the team comprises a combination of both supporters & detractors. Before his tenure is through, he will continue to gradually reveal himself for what he really is. An empty wagon!!

But I thought he was the next Deion Neon?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I agree. Lost in all the bashing of the defense is the fact our offense didn't do squat either. Horrible on 3rd downs, turnovers, penalties, settling for FGs in the red zone, piss poor.

The defense is suppose to be the strength of the team though. We already know the offense is below average. This has been a top ten defense with many of the same guys. So how do we go from top ten to dead last?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

First of all, most of you sound like a bunch of impulsive women. Man up and have some patience.

Second of all, it's clear that some of you don't know jack about 3-4 defense, yet you're calling for Haslett to be fired.

Lastly, people can learn new things, but you have to be willing to give them time and suffer through mistakes. Mistakes are a part of learning.

This is how PROGRESS is made. I'm not saying we'll be better at the end, but we've got to find out. Progress isn't easy. Don't panic and start whining at the first sign of adversity. Be strong and weather the storm in hopes that we'll be better in the end.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think the most frustrating thing right now is that the defense really did not need to be changed. Sure they could've tweaked it but over hauling to a 3-4 was stupid. You can cause turnovers and sacks from a 4-3. What seems to be most annoying is Haslett simply has no idea how to adjust. At least Blache knew how to do that.

The 4-3 defense was to that side of the ball as Jason Campbell was to the offensive side of the ball last year. It wasn't the problem, however, if you have a way to improve it you need to be gutty enough to go for it.

Our coverage units have been pretty soft all year, which isn't a positive, but it would have been a problem in a 4-3 zone-blitzing defense as well. Biggest difference in this game is that Kareem Moore can cover, but he can't tackle.

Essentially, I don't think he's an improvement over Doughty, but we lose some run defense for some pass defense.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The defense is suppose to be the strength of the team though. We already know the offense is below average. This has been a top ten defense with many of the same guys. So how do we go from top ten to dead last?

It's silly to say "dead last" as if yardage totals after two games actually indicate anything. The results on defense have been sub par to this point. No one actually believes we have the worst defense in the NFL. The last time the defense was a team strength was 2007. That's an eternity ago.

All the mistakes our defense is making this year we made last year in spades.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's silly to say "dead last" as if yardage totals after two games actually indicate anything. The results on defense have been sub par to this point. No one actually believes we have the worst defense in the NFL. The last time the defense was a team strength was 2007. That's an eternity ago.

All the mistakes our defense is making this year we made last year in spades.

Well people may not believe it but all I care about is what I see. And this defense was not nearly this bad last year or the year before. The last two weeks have been horrible.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The defense is suppose to be the strength of the team though. We already know the offense is below average. This has been a top ten defense with many of the same guys. So how do we go from top ten to dead last?

Regardless that doesn't give the offense a pass. 16 points isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

We need to improve in every phase of the game right now. The D is the most obvious, but the offense and special teams need a lot of work too.

[12thMan]

So funny, this all sounds like the same old song we were singing late last year, the year before, so forth and so on. Disgruntled with the coaching staff, perplexed with the scheme. Not happy campers.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

But I thought he was the next Deion Neon?

Hall was simply terrible yesterday. After all that talk he goes out against WR's that are worse than ours and plays like a girl. I just don't get the guy. He needs to keep his mouth shut cause he's not good enough to back it up on the field.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well people may not believe it but all I care about is what I see. And this defense was not nearly this bad last year or the year before. The last two weeks have been horrible.

Granted, that the results have just not been there this year.

I don't know if we're any good as a defense this year. I do know we have the same strengths and weaknesses as we did last year, and that staying with what hadn't been working in the past would have been a poor way to try to avoid becoming a slightly weaker version of the same unit.

I'll listen to any argument that suggests we just don't have the talent around studs like Orakpo and Fletcher and Landry to be successful. We may or may not. That remains to be seen.

I do know that if we're going to have a "defense has major issues thread", we should at least be able to identify a couple of those issues. If the problem with the defense is a talent deficiency, that could be a major issue. If the problem is "we lost to the Rams and need to scapegoat something", well, now I'm the one who doesn't care.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Regardless that doesn't give the offense a pass. 16 points isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

We need to improve in every phase of the game right now. The D is the most obvious, but the offense and special teams need a lot of work too.

Touchdown scored on a drive that started at the 21 yard line of the opponent.

We started two drives that deep in opponent territory all of last year (both in the Panthers game). We've already matched that this season. The offense, to date, has been worse than last year. I've been impressed with McNabb and Williams, and Portis' blocking. Disappointed with everyone else.

Can't see how Casey Rabach starts next week. Even cats only have 9 lives.