The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

[MTK]

Obviously the changes we're making might not pay off in the short run, but they are changes designed to pay off in the long run.

[Ruhskins]

Speaking of the devil....

The 3-4 defense is trendy in the NFL these days, but it's part a of cyclical fad that will revert back to the 4-3, writes TMQ. - ESPN

And consider the Washington Redskins. Using a conventional 4-3 with little blitzing, the Skins finished fourth in defense in 2008 and 10th in 2009. This year, seeking to "make plays" on defense, Washington switched to a blitz-a-rama 3-4. The Redskins are now last in the NFL in defense, and just surrendered 30 points to the hapless Rams. Not much of a testimony to the supposedly magical 3-4.

Best line...

Give me a 4-3 defense with good players over a 3-4 with poor players any day of the week.

[MTK]

Sure it's part of a cycle, but until offenses revert back to running the ball more, the 3-4 is going to stick around.

[skinsfan69]

Let's just see how they do this week. Last week is done. And even though the defense got torched by the WORST team in the NFL, w/ a ROOKIE QB and it's BEST player on the bench, we've just got to be patient. But it's hard when the FO builds the team to win now. I expect the defense to play well against team like STL and Det.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Sure it's part of a cycle, but until offenses revert back to running the ball more, the 3-4 is going to stick around.

I wonder if this will ever happen given the big time media exposure of the NFL right now. Obviously the league has done everything to make the passing game dominant, and that's what seems to sell tickets and ratings.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Coff

The defense looked a lot worse through the first three weeks under Marty, and then it pulled together. Certainly, this Sunday is going to be very, very ugly, but we have to give it time.

Ya, top 10 in defense last year, top 5 in year before. Now, an idiot DC comes in, switches everything around even though we dont have the personnel to make the change a successful one, he does it anyway. Ranked last in the league in defense now, and SHOULD be 0-3, despite the defense doing EVERYTHING in its power it could to give the game away in the final quarter in the first game, we slide out with a win. We should be 0-3, next week, 0-4 considering how good Vick is playing.

For all these people saying give it time..............Didn't Shanahan say its win NOW??? Didnt McNabb say that he is all in???? Didn't we have an offseason chock full of old VETS coming in? WAIT FOR WHAT???????????

[SirClintonPortis]

Yeah, banking on Kemo was what made Shanahan thought he could win now. Guess that blew up in his face.

Assisting in lower AH's value. Can't totally blame AH, he's a passing rushing DT, not a statue of Easter Island.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Sure it's part of a cycle, but until offenses revert back to running the ball more, the 3-4 is going to stick around.

Yeah, but the dominant 3-4s all stuff the run more than competently. Dallas, Pittsburgh, etc...

[Longtimefan]

^^ I understand where you're coming from Matty, the only problem with your assessment is that seemingly too few people actually have that long run mentality within their grasp. For a great many people, as you've witnessed so many times right here on this forum, it's win now or else. If you don't win now you don't have the luxary of a long run, what you do have is what some are suggesting should now be the fate of Haslett after only three games.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

^^ I understand where you're coming from Matty, the only problem with your assessment is that seemingly too few people actually have that long run mentality within their grasp. For a great many people, as you've witnessed so many times right here on this forum, it's win now or else. If you don't win now you don't have the luxary of a long run, what you do have is what some are suggesting should now be the fate of Haslett after only three games.

Not that I disagree, but the general mood as a whole that was being promoted thru the whole organization was "Win Now". I think the people on this board in particular, would have had no problem building the team up, all while trying to be as competitive as we could. Being aware that the team would get younger and need room and time to grow is a concept that I think could have gained plenty of traction, had it been the course of choice for the front office. Obviously, with the addition of McNabb, and other old vets, among other reasons, the win now attitude ran rampant, and me, like many, got caught up in the "possibility".

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Give me a 4-3 defense with good players over a 3-4 with poor players any day of the week.

The 3-4 was created mostly to compensate for the lack of good 4-3 DEs. So, yeah I'll take a 4-3 with Reggie White and Michael Strahan over just about any defense you can think of.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Ya, top 10 in defense last year, top 5 in year before. Now, an idiot DC comes in, switches everything around even though we dont have the personnel to make the change a successful one, he does it anyway. Ranked last in the league in defense now, and SHOULD be 0-3, despite the defense doing EVERYTHING in its power it could to give the game away in the final quarter in the first game, we slide out with a win. We should be 0-3, next week, 0-4 considering how good Vick is playing.

For all these people saying give it time..............Didn't Shanahan say its win NOW??? Didnt McNabb say that he is all in???? Didn't we have an offseason chock full of old VETS coming in? WAIT FOR WHAT???????????

We could just as easily be 2-1 or even 3-0. The hypothetical stuff is pretty much useless.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Not that I disagree, but the general mood as a whole that was being promoted thru the whole organization was "Win Now". I think the people on this board in particular, would have had no problem building the team up, all while trying to be as competitive as we could. Being aware that the team would get younger and need room and time to grow is a concept that I think could have gained plenty of traction, had it been the course of choice for the front office. Obviously, with the addition of McNabb, and other old vets, among other reasons, the win now attitude ran rampant, and me, like many, got caught up in the "possibility".

I understand your point, even adopted the slogan. Now that it seems doubtful there's going to be anything close to a quick turn around, we can't allow that to diminish the aspirations and/or prospects for the future, or give up on the current regime. Plan "B" maybe!!

[davy]

This situation is not a complete surprise.
Posted 3 months ago...

"Re: Predict the front 7 starters

However they line them up they aren't gonna frighten anybody.

I think our defence will stink this year."

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

We could just as easily be 2-1 or even 3-0. The hypothetical stuff is pretty much useless.

We could also just as easily be 0-3