Week 16: Redskins vs. Jaguars Gameday thread

[skinsfan_nn]

Any WIN is GREAT!

Nice to see some of these young guys trying to make this team next year come out and fight. This was one if not the most solid games (complete) we have played all year we actually played 60 minutes of football, plus a few minutes....job well done!

Special Teams and Defense/The MASH Unit played solid today. Offense played ok, nice to see Ryan (THE TRAIN) continuing to run the ball well.

[Coff]

Where's the "Gano Must Go!" thread, I wonder.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

But what if he is, it only set us back one year in the draft(this year). This time next year we will be looking at the same thing. It's only three or four picks. This team will not be a a playoff team every year until you address the qb. If you bring a young qb, it's time to cut payroll and start over. The coaches have a lot of players who either don't or will not fit their system. So next year will be a rebuilding year anyway. Why not fix this position now, and build from their. No team builds compete through the draft. Not one team in the league has players on their team that they only drafted.

Because that is what we call in the business, the Cerrato Philosophy. It is documented as a losing philosophy resulting in the near or fatal collapse of an NFL franchise. If you use this philosophy this year for this pick you are going to keep using it. Just like a kid that tries to bribe you into doing it one more time. Aw come on, it'll just be this one time. AKA we will just use this year's pick and next year's 1st this one time. Then next time it will be the same thing. You can't keep doing that. That is the culture that got us here. And that mind frame will keep us in the cellar.

I used to be like you, but now I see the light. As I have stated in the past, we need not the Cerrato Philosophy, but the Raheem Morris philosophy. Shed almost all of your veteran dead weight, draft and pick up YOUNG free agent players and VOILA! Since I have converted I sleep a lot better and feel like a better and wiser Redskins fan... You should try it.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Because that is what we call in the business, the Cerrato Philosophy. It is documented as a losing philosophy resulting in the near or fatal collapse of an NFL franchise. If you use this philosophy this year for this pick you are going to keep using it. Just like a kid that tries to bribe you into doing it one more time. Aw come on, it'll just be this one time. AKA we will just use this year's pick and next year's 1st this one time. Then next time it will be the same thing. You can't keep doing that. That is the culture that got us here. And that mind frame will keep us in the cellar.

I used to be like you, but now I see the light. As I have stated in the past, we need not the Cerrato Philosophy, but the Raheem Morris philosophy. Shed almost all of your veteran dead weight, draft and pick up YOUNG free agent players and VOILA! Since I have converted I sleep a lot better and feel like a better and wiser Redskins fan... You should try it.

I'm a subscriber to the Bill Walsh and Sam Pollock philosophy, actually. Hold onto to those picks and use the trade up maneuver when you can buffer yourself, not when you're treading water.

[Michaelt31]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Because that is what we call in the business, the Cerrato Philosophy. It is documented as a losing philosophy resulting in the near or fatal collapse of an NFL franchise. If you use this philosophy this year for this pick you are going to keep using it. Just like a kid that tries to bribe you into doing it one more time. Aw come on, it'll just be this one time. AKA we will just use this year's pick and next year's 1st this one time. Then next time it will be the same thing. You can't keep doing that. That is the culture that got us here. And that mind frame will keep us in the cellar.

I used to be like you, but now I see the light. As I have stated in the past, we need not the Cerrato Philosophy, but the Raheem Morris philosophy. Shed almost all of your veteran dead weight, draft and pick up YOUNG free agent players and VOILA! Since I have converted I sleep a lot better and feel like a better and wiser Redskins fan... You should try it.

I sleep good already. This is the first time I have thought like this. You have your ideas, I have mine. If they keep the picks and use them, fine. This time next year they will still looking for a qb. I think they should address it now, then next year address the other things through the draft. As for the Cerrato philosophy, that wasn't trading draft picks as much as not picking for need. The biggest problem with this team is the qb. You can say o-linemen or d-linemen. Until you get a elite qb, you will always have the same problem. If you going to draft linemen only, why not keep McNabb.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

But what if he is, it only set us back one year in the draft(this year). This time next year we will be looking at the same thing. It's only three or four picks. This team will not be a a playoff team every year until you address the qb. If you bring a young qb, it's time to cut payroll and start over. The coaches have a lot of players who either don't or will not fit their system. So next year will be a rebuilding year anyway. Why not fix this position now, and build from their. No team builds compete through the draft. Not one team in the league has players on their team that they only drafted.

It's a slippery slope from not 100%(which could then mean any value from 0-99%) to necessarily being barely any at all. And top 5 picks fetch a hefty price tag.

It's not 100% draft and UDFA, but it's usually at least 50% of the roster on the Super Bowl winning teams.

Some have more more drafted players than others. Pittsburgh is one of those teams.

Other teams aren't so heavy with their own picks, but they have key players contributing for them, like Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, and a good chunk of the Saints' O-line.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

I sleep good already. This is the first time I have thought like this. You have your ideas, I have mine. If they keep the picks and use them, fine. This time next year they will still looking for a qb. I think they should address it now, then next year address the other things through the draft. As for the Cerrato philosophy, that wasn't trading draft picks as much as not picking for need. The biggest problem with this team is the qb. You can say o-linemen or d-linemen. Until you get a elite qb, you will always have the same problem. If you going to draft linemen only, why not keep McNabb.

Cerrato picked for need and but also constantly devalued OL. Other teams pick BPA but don't suck because there's no OL discrimination. 2008 was all about need. Durant Brooks, Rhinehart, three "big" targets.

Tthe QB should be put in the best position to win, not to just break even by making up for his teammates' flaws.

The Jets didn't have a QB for years, but they sure amassed a talented team before opening the draft pick pocketbooks two years in a row to try and grab a QB.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

I sleep good already. This is the first time I have thought like this. You have your ideas, I have mine. If they keep the picks and use them, fine. This time next year they will still looking for a qb. I think they should address it now, then next year address the other things through the draft. As for the Cerrato philosophy, that wasn't trading draft picks as much as not picking for need. The biggest problem with this team is the qb. You can say o-linemen or d-linemen. Until you get a elite qb, you will always have the same problem. If you going to draft linemen only, why not keep McNabb.

I know. I am just kidding with you. You are entitled to your own opinion. If things turned out like you say and he was the corner stone of our franchise for 10-15 years you wouldn't hear me complain. It is just such a high risk/ high reward chance you are taking. I guess you can call me conservative.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

Forget the experts, watch him play. This guy is playing with below average wr's. He is better than any qb we have right now. Until we fix this qb thing, we always going to be a middle of the road team. We should be able to get some form of draft picks for guys like Hall, Carter, AH, and DM. This guy is made for this system.

Best you would get for AH and DM would be a straight up 3rd rounder for each one. AH is a problem child and Donovan has already hit the apex of his career, only the downward spiral is left for him. Everyone knows we want to unload these two for anything, so they will act accordingly. As for your infatuation with Luck, two names for you: Harrington and Carr. With poor Ramsey in the #3 slot, this was supposed to be the best QB class in a long time and they all 3 were epic failures once they turned pro. Playing Pac 10 beat ons for most of your schedule and doing well doesn't mean much once you get into the NFL.

[sdskinsfan2001]

NO MORE TRADING AWAY PICKS!!! We are not 1 player away we are several players away. We need to keep our current picks or if anything trade back and try to collect more picks for this draft. We need an influx of young talent everywhere on our roster. Bring back Grossman for next season and Beck.

We need to keep getting younger. We need to spend a mid-round draft pick on a DB and bring him in as a starter. Rogers is a free agent and Buchannon most likely isnt getting resigned. At safety we should switch Barnes to a FS. Secondary next year - Drafted DB, FS Barnes, SS Landry, DB Hall. Keep 2 of the 4 out of Moore, Doughty, Horton, and Harris as backup safeties and ST players. Draft an OLB or have McIntosh slim down a bit and move to OLB opposite of Orakpo. Riley should be a starter. Orakpo, Riley, Fletcher, McIntosh/Drafted OLB would be a solid group. I think our offense will be much improved next year. WR's - Moss, Kelly, Armstrong, Austin, Banks i think can be a solid wr group so we can use our other picks to keep bolstering the O-Line.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Suddenly we're not one player away but apparently an offensive line away from winning a Super Bowl. The problem with the last regime was total neglect so understandably the fan base wanted the team to start actually trying to acquire talent up front. However the fan base has now gotten to the point where we're overcompensating. So rather then trying to take a balanced approach to building a team suddenly we have to stop everything and build an offensive line with early picks, even if it means passing up a potential franchise QB in the draft or acquiring players to fit a new defensive scheme, because apparently every elite QB in the league has this unbreakable pocket that never puts them under pressure with running lanes you can drive a pickup truck through.

For God sakes 6 new players this off season including freaking bookends. And yet we're still under the impression that the front office is ignoring the offensive lines. Especially since they're considering committing the ultimate sin, drafting a first round QB instead of a Guard.

If you persist, I will be forced to move you to the Drunk thread!
You draw many conclusions. To my knowledge (that means I'm to lazy to re-read my previous posts) I have generally suggested:
1) It is not necessary to mortgage our future on the #1 pick, which would go for several picks this years and next.
2) I have stated that our O-line is...poor and regardless what the plan is "MUST be attended to" in the form of personnel upgrades (first pick, last pick....FA's, just get it going the right way)
3) Behind a good line, an offense can dominate without a Superstar QB. I don't believe it necessary to elaborate further for examples.
4) Do you disagree with that?

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

I'm talking about three picks, hell we draft 2 wr's and a te and none of them will be a star. This is the year to do it. This draft is a waste without a 3rd and 4th round pick. With a elite qb and a stud at LT, we will on our way to a elite team. This team has a lot over paid or over rate players. It's time to cut the payroll and start over. This is the guy to do it with. I don't know if teams will be willing to trade with us. But I know one thing, the guys we have now won't cut it on winning teams.

^^^
Someone please ban Vinny from the Warpath...

[RedskinsfaninBaltimore]

I honestly don't no shit about college QBs except for Newton. So I just clicked a college QB.