Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 01:07 PM

I'm starting to feel the same way. When Moss came in he was spouting all this rhetoric about how excited he was to get started, blah blah blah.

I'm not going to turn on him quite yet, I AM however, very disappointed.

firstdown · 04-07-2005, 01:08 PM

Come on, I'm surprised you guys have not figured this out. They are still celebrating Taylors birthday. LOL

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 01:15 PM

Hahaha! I guess Moss is still hungover and just "acting" like he wants a new contract.

Sounds logical to me.

sportscurmudgeon · 04-07-2005, 01:21 PM

Last year when I said that Sean Taylor was a meathead and it looked like he would be a "problem child", everyone here got their shorts in a knot because he was a "beast". Well, he cost the Skins a few games last year and was responsible for winning exactly none of them. Now he is showing what a team leader he is going to be. And now people here are upset with him. What took you all so long?

Folks, this is Sean Taylor. This is what he is and what he is going to be for the duration of his career in the NFL. The single best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If you love him as a "beast" then you have to take him for the team leader that he is - which is to say he ain't much of one!

He - and Moss - have Drew Rosenhaus as their agent. People around here really don't like the Poston brothers but I suggest that all of you start keeping track of Rosenhaus because this guy is far more trouble than the Postons ever were or ever will be.

There used to be an agent for NFL players who was famous for having his clients hold out - - with or without contracts. He became such a pain in the ass that lots of teams would not deal with him or any players he represented. He had to leave the business because none of his clients could get any deals done. Rosenhaus looks to me like the person best suited to take over that role for tomorrow.

And just so everyone here gets it right, you spell it:

M E A T H E A D

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 01:24 PM

I COMPLETELY and totally agree with you about Rosenhaus. The guy is a complete joke. I've started thinking that same thing recently, especially with how the Eagles are having problems all of a sudden.

offiss · 04-07-2005, 01:35 PM

Moss is showing me that he is not really interested in winning or becoming better, he just wants to do as little as possible and collect as much as possible, all I keep hearing from Jet fans around here is how he doesn't like to finish play's, he plays like he will do whatever it takes not to get hit or hurt, I would be very catious about locking this guy up long term, we may very well have to bite the bullet on this one if thats the case so be it.

As for Taylor, I was a big backer of his from day one, but as I continually see his nonesense he becomes more and more wearisome, I have to agree with SC, MEATHEAD! I don't know if I really would want to renegotiate his contract, he signed it, end of story let him honor his word, I could care less how under paid he is, there is a reason he continually misses meeting's and mini camps, if he want's to renegotiate then let him prove he's mature enough, and responsible enough to warrant that kind of investment!

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 01:39 PM

Just like I said before, if you do what you're supposed to do, Gibbs himself will go to bat for you.

I too, am worried about locking up Moss for the long-term. Let him sign the one-year, incentive-based deal.

CooleyAsCanBe · 04-07-2005, 02:24 PM

I don't think Taylor is a Rhodes Scholar or anyone I'd want as a role model for my kids, but what games did he cost the Redskins last year? And how many safeties do you expect to have "game winning" plays? I remember several plays where he stopped touchdowns, intercepted or batted-down long passes, and made the tackle on third downs to stop the other team's drive. He wasn't the best player in the league, but I was more than satisfied with his performance, especially as a rookie.

His off the field antics are sad, and he should grow up, but in the end they are being made out to be worse than they are. These are football players, we don't have to take them home to meet the folks.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 02:25 PM

I completely agree with that. As I said in another post, it's not like we have Randy Moss here or anything...

SmootSmack · 04-07-2005, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CooleyAsCanBe

I don't think Taylor is a Rhodes Scholar or anyone I'd want as a role model for my kids, but what games did he cost the Redskins last year? And how many safeties do you expect to have "game winning" plays? I remember several plays where he stopped touchdowns, intercepted or batted-down long passes, and made the tackle on third downs to stop the other team's drive. He wasn't the best player in the league, but I was more than satisfied with his performance, especially as a rookie.

His off the field antics are sad, and he should grow up, but in the end they are being made out to be worse than they are. These are football players, we don't have to take them home to meet the folks.

Was it Taylor who cost us the second Cowboys game? Either way, I agree with what you said. Let the kid grow as a player and as a person

Daseal · 04-07-2005, 02:36 PM

Some people argue that, but I don't believe that WR was his responsibility. He played a bit closer to Keyshawn than the other guy, but still almost made the play. He was a rookie, but he was covering the guy a lot of people thought the ball was going to. Instead they toss it to an undrafted rookie. He bit on Keyshawn, but in a lot of cases that's the right move.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 02:39 PM

I do think that Taylor blew that coverage, but he also caused the fumble from Jones that would have been a sure touchdown.

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 02:39 PM

So I think they offset each other.

CooleyAsCanBe · 04-07-2005, 02:50 PM

I guess it is arguable that he cost us that game. His other interceptions in games against San Fran and Chicago were enough to offset that.

CooleyAsCanBe · 04-07-2005, 02:52 PM

In the end, I think we are all being blinded by the boredom of the offseason. Matty is right, these are "voluntary" workouts.

How many of you wish Gibbs had kicked Riggins off the team for all the crap he did? Granted, Riggo was a veteran and had proven himself more than Taylor has, but read this quote from the old Bill Simmons article on the Hogs and tell me Taylor is worse: (http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/simmons/020314.html)

"Just the mere mention of [Riggins] prompted four or five quick anecdotes. Remember the time Riggo hitchhiked to the NFC Championship Game and the coaches inadvertently picked him up? Remember the time Riggo pulled five chairs together, stretched out on them and took a nap during a team meeting? Remember the time Riggo retired and lived in a pup tent on the Potomac River for an entire winter?

Maybe the defining Riggo story: During one team meeting, the players heard a strange noise from inside the locker room, like the sound you hear when it just starts to pour rain. They glanced in the back and there was a groggy Riggins, lying on his back, his pants pulled down, peeing straight into the air all over himself. Gibbs and the poor coaching staff always looked the other way with Riggo, as long as he was coherent on Sundays, but this seemed a little much ... and yet the coaching staff never did anything. 'They always looked the other way with him,' said May. 'It just wasn't Gibbs's nature to constantly battle with a player like that.'"

He was often out of shape, missed or fell asleep in meetings and couldn't have been a great support in the locker room when all this was happening. Yet, he did well on the field. Gibbs turned a blind eye to all that, and I don't see this being nearly as bad.

P.S. I'm sure most of you read that article, but if you haven't, it is amazing.

04-07-2005, 01:07 PM	#46
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I'm starting to feel the same way. When Moss came in he was spouting all this rhetoric about how excited he was to get started, blah blah blah. I'm not going to turn on him quite yet, I AM however, very disappointed. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 01:08 PM	#47
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 62 Posts: 15,817	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Come on, I'm surprised you guys have not figured this out. They are still celebrating Taylors birthday. LOL

04-07-2005, 01:15 PM	#48
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Hahaha! I guess Moss is still hungover and just "acting" like he wants a new contract. Sounds logical to me. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 01:21 PM	#49
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Last year when I said that Sean Taylor was a meathead and it looked like he would be a "problem child", everyone here got their shorts in a knot because he was a "beast". Well, he cost the Skins a few games last year and was responsible for winning exactly none of them. Now he is showing what a team leader he is going to be. And now people here are upset with him. What took you all so long? Folks, this is Sean Taylor. This is what he is and what he is going to be for the duration of his career in the NFL. The single best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If you love him as a "beast" then you have to take him for the team leader that he is - which is to say he ain't much of one! He - and Moss - have Drew Rosenhaus as their agent. People around here really don't like the Poston brothers but I suggest that all of you start keeping track of Rosenhaus because this guy is far more trouble than the Postons ever were or ever will be. There used to be an agent for NFL players who was famous for having his clients hold out - - with or without contracts. He became such a pain in the ass that lots of teams would not deal with him or any players he represented. He had to leave the business because none of his clients could get any deals done. Rosenhaus looks to me like the person best suited to take over that role for tomorrow. And just so everyone here gets it right, you spell it: M E A T H E A D __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

04-07-2005, 01:24 PM	#50
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I COMPLETELY and totally agree with you about Rosenhaus. The guy is a complete joke. I've started thinking that same thing recently, especially with how the Eagles are having problems all of a sudden. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 01:35 PM	#51
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 62 Posts: 3,097	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Moss is showing me that he is not really interested in winning or becoming better, he just wants to do as little as possible and collect as much as possible, all I keep hearing from Jet fans around here is how he doesn't like to finish play's, he plays like he will do whatever it takes not to get hit or hurt, I would be very catious about locking this guy up long term, we may very well have to bite the bullet on this one if thats the case so be it. As for Taylor, I was a big backer of his from day one, but as I continually see his nonesense he becomes more and more wearisome, I have to agree with SC, MEATHEAD! I don't know if I really would want to renegotiate his contract, he signed it, end of story let him honor his word, I could care less how under paid he is, there is a reason he continually misses meeting's and mini camps, if he want's to renegotiate then let him prove he's mature enough, and responsible enough to warrant that kind of investment!

04-07-2005, 01:39 PM	#52
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Just like I said before, if you do what you're supposed to do, Gibbs himself will go to bat for you. I too, am worried about locking up Moss for the long-term. Let him sign the one-year, incentive-based deal. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 02:24 PM	#53
CooleyAsCanBe Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 49 Posts: 421	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I don't think Taylor is a Rhodes Scholar or anyone I'd want as a role model for my kids, but what games did he cost the Redskins last year? And how many safeties do you expect to have "game winning" plays? I remember several plays where he stopped touchdowns, intercepted or batted-down long passes, and made the tackle on third downs to stop the other team's drive. He wasn't the best player in the league, but I was more than satisfied with his performance, especially as a rookie. His off the field antics are sad, and he should grow up, but in the end they are being made out to be worse than they are. These are football players, we don't have to take them home to meet the folks.

04-07-2005, 02:25 PM	#54
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I completely agree with that. As I said in another post, it's not like we have Randy Moss here or anything... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 02:36 PM	#56
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Some people argue that, but I don't believe that WR was his responsibility. He played a bit closer to Keyshawn than the other guy, but still almost made the play. He was a rookie, but he was covering the guy a lot of people thought the ball was going to. Instead they toss it to an undrafted rookie. He bit on Keyshawn, but in a lot of cases that's the right move. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

04-07-2005, 02:39 PM	#57
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I do think that Taylor blew that coverage, but he also caused the fumble from Jones that would have been a sure touchdown. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 02:50 PM	#59
CooleyAsCanBe Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 49 Posts: 421	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I guess it is arguable that he cost us that game. His other interceptions in games against San Fran and Chicago were enough to offset that.

04-07-2005, 02:52 PM	#60
CooleyAsCanBe Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 49 Posts: 421	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts In the end, I think we are all being blinded by the boredom of the offseason. Matty is right, these are "voluntary" workouts. How many of you wish Gibbs had kicked Riggins off the team for all the crap he did? Granted, Riggo was a veteran and had proven himself more than Taylor has, but read this quote from the old Bill Simmons article on the Hogs and tell me Taylor is worse: (http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/simmons/020314.html) "Just the mere mention of [Riggins] prompted four or five quick anecdotes. Remember the time Riggo hitchhiked to the NFC Championship Game and the coaches inadvertently picked him up? Remember the time Riggo pulled five chairs together, stretched out on them and took a nap during a team meeting? Remember the time Riggo retired and lived in a pup tent on the Potomac River for an entire winter? Maybe the defining Riggo story: During one team meeting, the players heard a strange noise from inside the locker room, like the sound you hear when it just starts to pour rain. They glanced in the back and there was a groggy Riggins, lying on his back, his pants pulled down, peeing straight into the air all over himself. Gibbs and the poor coaching staff always looked the other way with Riggo, as long as he was coherent on Sundays, but this seemed a little much ... and yet the coaching staff never did anything. 'They always looked the other way with him,' said May. 'It just wasn't Gibbs's nature to constantly battle with a player like that.'" He was often out of shape, missed or fell asleep in meetings and couldn't have been a great support in the locker room when all this was happening. Yet, he did well on the field. Gibbs turned a blind eye to all that, and I don't see this being nearly as bad. P.S. I'm sure most of you read that article, but if you haven't, it is amazing.

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