(Merged) Jason Campbell

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Two points about this pick

#1
I don't get it. We traded up to take a QB who might take 2-3 years before he's ready?? Couldn't we have gotten a much better value with this pick? Someone who could contribute right away??

#2
I don't like it. We might as well just dump Ramsey now, because ever since Gibbs has been here he's been giving strong signals to PR that he's not his man. First he brings in a vet, and now uses a high pick on a QB.

I liked the Rogers pick at #9, but this pick has me scratching my head.

Campbell sounds like a great prospect, but we really reached here and didn't fill much of a need.

In addition, to me, it seems like we're well on our way to competing for the #1 pick next season, which we won't have, but that could have put us in position for Lienart. We would have had a better line on Ramsey and then they would have actually known if they needed a Qb.

[monk81]

As long as the line gives Ramsey some time I think he is a decent pocket passer.......
we will have a healthy Jansen back and a better center, Ramsey's performance should improve.........puzzlement why Gibbs seems impatient and drafts Campbell..........

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by monk81

As long as the line gives Ramsey some time I think he is a decent pocket passer.......
we will have a healthy Jansen back and a better center, Ramsey's performance should improve.........puzzlement why Gibbs seems impatient and drafts Campbell..........

Campbell wasn't drafted to start for at least a couple years. How is that impatient?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I couldn't disagree with your evaluation of Ramsey more. I think he does hold it too long and occasionally throws it up, but I will be frank, I think he can be a Pro Bowler sooner rather than later. As for him having more picks than TD's that's wrong. Career: 33 TD, 28 INT. Last year was the only season he had more picks than TD's and that was only 10 to 11. I believe he showed he was a leader in his first season when Spurrier put him in games late and he lead them back. I remember a Giants game that sold me on him when he almost lead them back to a win if not for a D. McCants fumble. He's not mobile, though, you're right. However, his completion percentage for his career is: 55.6%, has improved every year and last year was 62.1%.

*** Let me preface this by saying I am not a Ramsey-bashing Zach Mills clone, I don't like the pick, but I am guessing as to why the FO made the pick ***
My bad on the TD/INT #, I misread it when I was looking.. Here's why I say he's not a leader. He has guts physically, no doubt, but mentally he folded up his tent last pre-season when Brunell came in.. He said later in the season that he didn't deal with it well mentally. Yes, he's young, but you want your LEADER to step up and defeat a challenge, not have to wait until the guy who beat you out fails miserably before you get in.. How many come from behind wins does he have? Spurrier and Gibbs put him in games late and he made them exciting, but how many games did he win in that situation. That's how greatness develops.. 55.6% completion is not good.. His 62.1% last year was 12th in the league, career wise he is on par with Kyle Boller did last year.. From a Gibbs perspective (didn't scout him, didn't draft him) what from what you have seen leads you to beleive that he is ready to be more than the game manager he was at the end of the year last year?

[John Hasbrouck]

A wasted first round

[SkinsRock]

Gibbs didn't draft Theisman either...granted that was a different situation in a different time, but I'm sick of that excuse. Ramsey is (still) a good QB with a lot of potential, and this season it the time for him to either step up and reach that potential, or be replaced. I think he can do it, but of course that remains to be seen.

[jdlea]

I think his arm is absolutely electric and I think he is a very smart QB. I agree that he looked terrible when Brunell came in, but take into account that it was a new system, he was coming off of surgery and he, supposedly, did ask to be traded. I think he has that spark that will allow him to be great. As for him managing the game at the end of last year, that's all Gibbs offense allowed for last year. You can't expect much more. The offense suffocated everyone on the team last season. I think Joe Gibbs held this team hostage last season with his playcalling and it broke our back.

[monk81]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Campbell wasn't drafted to start for at least a couple years. How is that impatient?

But SkinsRock just like the spin last year when Gibbs christened Burnell the starter and when he failed, he put in Ramsey.......couldnt the same thing happen with Ramsey...... I think Campbell will move to the 2nd QB in the rotation, with Burnell moving to 3rd spot after training camp. If Ramsey comes in and has bad games, Gibbs has pressure to win games so will be forced to put in Campbell, who isn't ready.........doomed to fail!!!! This pick just speaks volumes of Gibbs not being satisified and wanting to move Ramsey....If we had a grizzled veteran starting (ie the Packers for example) you'd want to groom a young QB, but we have a young QB starting......why pick yet another young QB to back up your current young QB unless you plan to play him...........

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I think his arm is absolutely electric and I think he is a very smart QB. I agree that he looked terrible when Brunell came in, but take into account that it was a new system, he was coming off of surgery and he, supposedly, did ask to be traded. I think he has that spark that will allow him to be great. As for him managing the game at the end of last year, that's all Gibbs offense allowed for last year. You can't expect much more. The offense suffocated everyone on the team last season. I think Joe Gibbs held this team hostage last season with his playcalling and it broke our back.

Ironically, I agree with most of what you've said.. I guess we won't see if Gibbs allows him to be more than a game manager until the bullets start flying, but his playcalling screamed mistrust of both QBs.. I don't think the excuses about the competition last year hold much water.. Brunell was also in a new system, coming off an injury and had to adjust to a whole new team and still waxed Ramsey's ass.. It all boils down to trust, Gibbs still doesn't trust Ramsey as his QB to lead the team to the playoffs and Super Bowl..

[SKINSnCANES]

I think this was a smart pick for us. I dont think Ramsey is the answer for our team. He looked good two years ago, but I think Spurrier ruined him. He stands in the pocket with happy feet. He has no ability to step outside the pocket so he gets sacked all the time. And the bottom line is he doesnt make things happen. I will be the first to blame Gibbs for our horrible play calling last year. But Ramsey did nothign to impress me. He didnt look downfield, he didnt always make his throws. He isnt a leader of our team. Frankly, he looks scared when hes in the game in my opinion.

[SkinsRock]

Even Jansen said on ESPN today how at the beginning of the year, it was a 1992 offense, and they have done much to improve and update it....which I think we saw some of towards the end of last season.
Gibbs has had a year to "catch up" with the rest of the league, so now the pressure is really on him too.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Even Jansen said on ESPN today how at the beginning of the year, it was a 1992 offense, and they have done much to improve and update it....which I think we saw some of towards the end of last season.
Gibbs has had a year to "catch up" with the rest of the league, so now the pressure is really on him too.

He also said that they needed a big, move the chains, red zone target WR.. Hmm, who was on the board that met that exact description and that we don't have anyone similar on our roster?

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

He also said that they needed a big, move the chains, red zone target WR.. Hmm, who was on the board that met that exact description and that we don't have anyone similar on our roster?

Darnerien McCants is on the roster.

[skin4Life28]

Campbell gives us another weapon that we haven't had since Doug Williams. Campbell can move. He is a very mobile qb with an amazing arm. One reason he had to hold on to the ball is cause he had no recievers at Auburn and had to wait for them to get open. I have never been on the Ramsey bandwagon and will not be wether he takes to the playoffs or not. He is way to inconsistent with his play and will make more head scratching decisions then good ones. Our recieving core is still solid without Williams. We have Moss, Patten, Jacobs who showed tremendous upside last year, Thrash. Thats pretty solid to me. I feel Campbell brings a huge upgrade to the position. Just hope everyone that did not want Campbell here doesn't welcome him in. He will be a great qb for us.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Darnerien McCants is on the roster.

Would you equate McCants to what Williams projects to be?