How would you fix the economy and budget issues?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Obama's polls numbers are solid. The only voters he's losing in droves is the Tea Party.

I was coming out of pub a few days ago and walked right past Eric Cantor. I almost hurled my Jameson back up. Pathetic.

Not so fast my friend. I can't think of any Tea Party folks who supported Obama in the first place. Obama is losing Independents and likely moderate-fiscally conservative Ds.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

Obama Ties Romney | Loses Among Independents | PPP Poll | The Daily Caller

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm not sure it's just Obama that's looking bad in the eyes of most.

As for the putting "a damn balanced budget amendment in the Constitution" one has to wonder two things...1) Why didn't the GOP make the proposal while in full command of the country? 2) What is the likelihood of such an amendment passing both houses with just a straight up and down vote (remember, it requires 2/3 vote to pass), the president's desk (veto anyone?), and then being ratified by the 2/3 of the states?

What a fantastic magic show the GOP has put on with their fanciful gimmicks and slight of hands. They must be doing something right if you lot have this much faith in them.

Bravo!

Not sure if I have faith in any of them. I do find it funny when one side or the other acts like its totally the other parties fault we are in dept. Plenty of blame for both sides and I believe I have said that all along. Its the same thing I said back when you guys called Bush a conservative. I said he was anything but a conservative.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm not sure it's just Obama that's looking bad in the eyes of most.

As for the putting "a damn balanced budget amendment in the Constitution" one has to wonder two things...1) Why didn't the GOP make the proposal while in full command of the country? 2) What is the likelihood of such an amendment passing both houses with just a straight up and down vote (remember, it requires 2/3 vote to pass), the president's desk (veto anyone?), and then being ratified by the 2/3 of the states?

What a fantastic magic show the GOP has put on with their fanciful gimmicks and slight of hands. They must be doing something right if you lot have this much faith in them.

Bravo!

Notice I said Boehner didn't exactly hit a home run.

I have pretty much zero faith in either party at this point, which is why I changed my voter registration to independent months ago. Sure I can't vote in primaries now, but whatever.

And as far as a proposed balanced budget amendment being ratified... You're probably right about the difficulty in it getting through. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good thing for America, which is all I was saying.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Not so fast my friend. I can't think of any Tea Party folks who supported Obama in the first place. Obama is losing Independents and likely moderate-fiscally conservative Ds.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

Obama Ties Romney | Loses Among Independents | PPP Poll | The Daily Caller

The Tea Party thing was a little tongue and cheek.

I feel Rasmussen polling is an outlier for a few reasons. I rely more on the polling averages (RealClearPolitics - Opinion, News, Analysis, Videos and Polls) and not just one poll, because they're all tilted a bit. Quinnipiac is usually on the mark, however, whereas Rasmussen has a tendency to overstate Republican opinion and badly missed the mark in a number of states during the mid-term elections. Given that unemployment is where it is and the country in general is in a sour mood, I don't think the president could ask for any better than 45% approval right now.

Basically his base will be there come 2012: Jews, blacks, hispanics (don't believe the hype) gays, and female voters. So you're talking about Obama and whomever the GOP nominates will be vying for about 20-25% of the electorate. Probably your middle class independent white male. Without offending anyone on the board, I would say someone in Schneed's demographic. I don't know his politics, but he's about as objective as they come. Right now Obama is faring well vs Republicans--not great-- in a few key states: Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia. If he can pluck 2 or 3 of those states, he's going to be pretty hard to beat.

Finally, I would add any poll that has Sarah Palin within striking distance of the front runner Mitt Romney would make me a little suspicious. Not because of it's lack of accuracy, but it just shows you how much people are paying attention. Her candidacy is DOA, even among the most right leaning Republicans. I think once we get on the other side of Labor Day weekend, settle this debt ceiling thing, let Rick Perry flex a little bit, things will get a little more interesting.

Edit: In the spirit of keeping this thread on topic, let's move additional comments to the presidential thread.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

The Tea Party thing was a little tongue and cheek.

I feel Rasmussen polling is an outlier for a few reasons. I rely more on the polling averages (RealClearPolitics - Opinion, News, Analysis, Videos and Polls) and not just one poll, because they're all tilted a bit. Quinnipiac is usually on the mark, however, whereas Rasmussen has a tendency to overstate Republican opinion and badly missed the mark in a number of states during the mid-term elections. Given that unemployment is where it is and the country in general is in a sour mood, I don't think the president could ask for any better than 45% approval right now.

Basically his base will be there come 2012: Jews, blacks, hispanics (don't believe the hype) gays, and female voters. So you're talking about Obama and whomever the GOP nominates will be vying for about 20-25% of the electorate. Probably your middle class independent white male. Without offending anyone on the board, I would say someone in Schneed's demographic. I don't know his politics, but he's about as objective as they come. Right now Obama is faring well vs Republicans--not great-- in a few key states: Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia. If he can pluck 2 or 3 of those states, he's going to be pretty hard to beat.

Finally, I would add any poll that has Sarah Palin within striking distance of the front runner Mitt Romney would make me a little suspicious. Not because of it's lack of accuracy, but it just shows you how much people are paying attention. Her candidacy is DOA, even among the most right leaning Republicans. I think once we get on the other side of Labor Day weekend, settle this debt ceiling thing, let Rick Perry flex a little bit, things will get a little more interesting.

Edit: In the spirit of keeping this thread on topic, let's move additional comments to the presidential thread.

The only female votes Obama can count on is black female's. You seem to forget that Obama has pretty much done nothing other then spend 1 trillion dollars to creat no jobs. Also the excitment has gone and they will have trouble getting the voter to turn out. Using your link 75% of Americans say we are headed on the wrong track.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The only female votes Obama can count on is black female's. You seem to forget that Obama has pretty much done nothing other then spend 1 trillion dollars to creat no jobs. Also the excitment has gone and they will have trouble getting the voter to turn out. Using your link 75% of Americans say we are headed on the wrong track.

That's just crazy talk, First. I promise you that the voter turnout will be strong. The very first bill Obama signed into law --- the very first one-- was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act benefiting women in the work place. He's appointed two female Supreme Court justices and he continues to fight for women's healthcare reproductive rights. Remember the battle over Planned Parenthood defunding last December? He's been pretty good on that front.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

That's just crazy talk, First. I promise you that the voter turnout will be strong. The very first bill Obama signed into law --- the very first one-- was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act benefiting women in the work place. He's appointed two female Supreme Court justices and he continues to fight for women's healthcare reproductive rights. Remember the battle over Planned Parenthood defunding last December? He's been pretty good on that front.

That law he passed affected very few momen and means nothing to 99% of them until they need the law. The other stuff sounds good but will not drive the women to run out and vote for him. They will see little to no change he promised and go back to voting how they did prior to Obama.

As far as voter turn out. Even with all the effort Obama put into voter turn out for the last election it did not work and will not work next time. If anything his poor record will drive the other side to turn out and vote. When Obama was elected people knew nothing about him and did not care about his past. Now he cannot hide and his record will hurt him.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That law he passed affected very few momen and means nothing to 99% of them until they need the law. The other stuff sounds good but will not drive the women to run out and vote for him. They will see little to no change he promised and go back to voting how they did prior to Obama.

As far as voter turn out. Even with all the effort Obama put into voter turn out for the last election it did not work and will not work next time. If anything his poor record will drive the other side to turn out and vote. When Obama was elected people knew nothing about him and did not care about his past. Now he cannot hide and his record will hurt him.

You're making assumptions about voter turnout without backing up any of the claims. It didn't work? There was record voter turnout, what land were you living in in 2008? It won't work again? I have no idea what you're talking about. And you're completely trivializing a piece of legislation that millions of women had hoped too see come to pass one day.

Anyway, I'd much rather be talking football than this craziness.

[saden1]

The live in a world of fantasy...the can't distinguish what they hope for from what will happen. Obama has real soldiers! They will come when called upon because the alternative is to be ruled by the disingenuous and incompetent GOP.


I am a ready and willing soldier...it will be a glorious victory...let's get it!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You're making assumptions about voter turnout without backing up any of the claims. It didn't work? There was record voter turnout, what land were you living in in 2008? It won't work again? I have no idea what you're talking about. And you're completely trivializing a piece of legislation that millions of women had hoped too see come to pass one day.

Anyway, I'd much rather be talking football than this craziness.

I said last election not last presidental election. He tried his hardest to get out the vote and it did not work. I actually think the next election will come down to which party the American people are pissed at the least. Right now if I could I'd vote them all out of office. I think we could gettogether and do a better job then these a$$ wipes.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

The live in a world of fantasy...the can't distinguish what they hope for from what will happen. Obama has real soldiers! They will come when called upon because the alternative is to be ruled by the disingenuous and incompetent GOP.


I am a ready and willing soldier...it will be a glorious victory...let's get it!

The GOP does not hold a monopoly on that.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I said last election not last presidental election. He tried his hardest to get out the vote and it did not work. I actually think the next election will come down to which party the American people are pissed at the least. Right now if I could I'd vote them all out of office. I think we could gettogether and do a better job then these a$$ wipes.

I agree with the sentiments that both parties are to blame, really they both suck imo.

but i believe that while there are more registered democrats than republicans, republicans tend to turn out and vote any chance they get while a significant portion of democrat voters only turn out for the big presendential elections (hard to get college kids, 20 somethings to bother to vote). i know i do. so i personally dont put much stock in what off year elections results show as a prediction for the voter turnout for presendential elections.

[GMScud]

Consumer confidence at a 2yr low...

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And Apple now has just about as much operating money as the USA. That's scary.

Apple Now Has More Cash Than The U.S. Government

[GMScud]

Obama takes it to Twitter.... and loses of 40,000 followers in one day. LOL!

President Barack Obama takes debt battle to Twitter, loses more than 40,000 followers in one day

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Obama takes it to Twitter.... and loses of 40,000 followers in one day. LOL!

President Barack Obama takes debt battle to Twitter, loses more than 40,000 followers in one day

LOL...I must say losing 0.004% of his followers in one day is pretty alarming. I hope he stops spamming people real soon or it could get really ugly for him.