Arizona RB Tim Hightower traded to Redskins.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Tim Hightower has the potential (not yet demonstrated) and the work ethic (all reports are very positive) to become the BEST RB THE SKINS HAVE HAD SINCE JOHN RIGGINS.

And before anyone asks, yes, I do recall that Clinton Portis was on the Skins since Riggo...

Now, if the Skins can put a decent OL in front of Hightower sometime in the next year or two...

Curmudgeon...is that you?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Hmmmm....I remember a guy named Terry Allen....and... oh yeah..Ernest Byner. Nice try, though.

S Davis was better than both IMO

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GMScud

So what is your argument exactly? His high touchdown totals aren't reflective of the player he is because he got a lot of goal-line touches? All that tells me is Wisenhunt gave the guy the ball in the redzone because he has a nose for paydirt. Is that somehow a bad thing?

His high touchdown total doesn't help in determining if he'll be good? Last time I checked, if you score a lot of touchdowns you're really helping the team, and thus pretty good. Pretty simple really. He's not Chris Johnson fast, but aside from that he really doesn't have any holes in his game.

I'm sure he won't be an every down back. The NFL is a committee game these days, not to mention that's not Shanahan's style and really never has been (Terrell Davis is an exception, and maybe Portis to a degree in his first two seasons). But to make a statement like "just because he scores TD in droves doesn't mean he's a good player" seems pretty silly to me.

It's really hard to argue that (if he stays healthy- and he's never missed a game in 3 seasons in the NFL) Tim Hightower will not make significant contributions to our offense this year.

Oh I'm sorry, did the words with negative connotations but neutal definitions screw with your head?
First word: deliberately.
1. Done with or marked by full consciousness of the nature and effects; intentional: mistook the oversight for a deliberate insult.
2. Arising from or marked by careful consideration: a deliberate decision. See Synonyms at voluntary.
3. Unhurried in action, movement, or manner, as if trying to avoid error: moved at a deliberate pace. See Synonyms at slow.

See? A deliberate decision by the coach IS NOT NECESSARILY A BASELESS decision. Clearly, you think baseless and deliberate are synonyms.

Do I have to bring up the stats from running backs from the ZBS in Denver or the completion percentage of WCO QBs to drill into your head that a larger stat value is not a definitive INDICATOR of "betterness". By your standards, Lendale White was elite in 2008. Well, White has dropped out of the NFL universe now, but I'm sure by your standards, those FIFTEEN TDs are truly a good indicator of a good RB. As a goal-line back, you've got more QUALITY OPPORTUNITIES to punch it in. He SHOULD be having higher stat totals due to having more opportunities.

Even at the higher baseline for TDs required to goal line backs to be deemed "effective" IN THIER ROLE, Hightower's TD production has been going down, with an abysmal 5 TDs last season. This is a part of a continuing trend of decline.


It's doubtful this guy is going to make his dough here as just a redzone TD vulture. It's going to be as a third down back who can block and catch who can hopefully bounce back from a mere down season.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Tim Hightower has the potential (not yet demonstrated) and the work ethic (all reports are very positive) to become the BEST RB THE SKINS HAVE HAD SINCE JOHN RIGGINS.

And before anyone asks, yes, I do recall that Clinton Portis was on the Skins since Riggo...

Now, if the Skins can put a decent OL in front of Hightower sometime in the next year or two...

I agree. He has the POTENTIAL to be great... He just hasn't put it all together. IMO he'll have his best year as a pro, but he's nowhere close to being the best RB since Riggo.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Oh I'm sorry, did the words with negative connotations but neutal definitions screw with your head?
First word: deliberately.
1. Done with or marked by full consciousness of the nature and effects; intentional: mistook the oversight for a deliberate insult.
2. Arising from or marked by careful consideration: a deliberate decision. See Synonyms at voluntary.
3. Unhurried in action, movement, or manner, as if trying to avoid error: moved at a deliberate pace. See Synonyms at slow.

See? A deliberate decision by the coach IS NOT NECESSARILY A BASELESS decision. Clearly, you think baseless and deliberate are synonyms.

Do I have to bring up the stats from running backs from the ZBS in Denver or the completion percentage of WCO QBs to drill into your head that a larger stat value is not a definitive INDICATOR of "betterness". By your standards, Lendale White was elite in 2008. Well, White has dropped out of the NFL universe now, but I'm sure by your standards, those FIFTEEN TDs are truly a good indicator of a good RB. As a goal-line back, you've got more QUALITY OPPORTUNITIES to punch it in. He SHOULD be having higher stat totals due to having more opportunities.

Even at the higher baseline for TDs required to goal line backs to be deemed "effective" IN THIER ROLE, Hightower's TD production has been going down, with an abysmal 5 TDs last season. This is a part of a continuing trend of decline.


It's doubtful this guy is going to make his dough here as just a redzone TD vulture. It's going to be as a third down back who can block and catch who can hopefully bounce back from a mere down season.

There's room for just one "greater than thou" asshole on this site...and it's not you. So tone it down Webster

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There's room for just one "greater than thou" asshole on this site...and it's not you. So tone it down Webster

Really?? Only one?? We sure have a helluva lot of runner-ups for the job.

I guess the Ego just wants to ensure competition for every position at the Warpath.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Really?? Only one?? We sure have a helluva lot of runner-ups for the job.

I guess the Ego just wants to ensure competition for every position at the Warpath.

lol...nice post

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Really?? Only one?? We sure have a helluva lot of runner-ups for the job.

I guess the Ego just wants to ensure competition for every position at the Warpath.

Every position except his own....Scud's thinking of starting a coup

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Oh I'm sorry, did the words with negative connotations but neutal definitions screw with your head?
First word: deliberately.
1. Done with or marked by full consciousness of the nature and effects; intentional: mistook the oversight for a deliberate insult.
2. Arising from or marked by careful consideration: a deliberate decision. See Synonyms at voluntary.
3. Unhurried in action, movement, or manner, as if trying to avoid error: moved at a deliberate pace. See Synonyms at slow.

See? A deliberate decision by the coach IS NOT NECESSARILY A BASELESS decision. Clearly, you think baseless and deliberate are synonyms.

Do I have to bring up the stats from running backs from the ZBS in Denver or the completion percentage of WCO QBs to drill into your head that a larger stat value is not a definitive INDICATOR of "betterness". By your standards, Lendale White was elite in 2008. Well, White has dropped out of the NFL universe now, but I'm sure by your standards, those FIFTEEN TDs are truly a good indicator of a good RB. As a goal-line back, you've got more QUALITY OPPORTUNITIES to punch it in. He SHOULD be having higher stat totals due to having more opportunities.

Even at the higher baseline for TDs required to goal line backs to be deemed "effective" IN THIER ROLE, Hightower's TD production has been going down, with an abysmal 5 TDs last season. This is a part of a continuing trend of decline.


It's doubtful this guy is going to make his dough here as just a redzone TD vulture. It's going to be as a third down back who can block and catch who can hopefully bounce back from a mere down season.

LOL. I'll just defer to what SmootSmack said. Know your place. All you can do is stomp your feet and scream the name LenDale White. You're talking loud and saying nothing.

In 2008 when LenDale White scored 15 TD's, he was a good player on his team. Are you saying he wasn't? When they needed a goal line TD, he delivered repeatedly. Are you also saying that Hightower isn't more of a complete player than White? If that's the case, you're nuts.

Hightower has gotten goal-line carries, but he brings a lot more to the table than that. The tape is there. Just watch it. I'm not saying he's going to be a superstar for us, but LenDale White he is not.

For the record, I never said scoring touchdowns makes you "elite," but it certainly doesn't hurt you as a player. If we have Helu and Torain but also added a guy with a proven nose for the endzone, how is that in any way a bad thing? Especially for the low price we paid?

Please enlighten me as to the point of your drivel.

[SmootSmack]

Consider that the Cardinals placed a 2nd round tender on him back in March and we got him for a conditional late round pick and Holliday? That's not too bad at all

[JoeRedskin]

GMscud - just make him a parrot avatar and call it a day. You can do that now.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GMScud

LOL. I'll just defer to what SmootSmack said. Know your place. All you can do is stomp your feet and scream the name LenDale White. You're talking loud and saying nothing.

In 2008 when LenDale White scored 15 TD's, he was a good player on his team. Are you saying he wasn't? When they needed a goal line TD, he delivered repeatedly. Are you also saying that Hightower isn't more of a complete player than White? If that's the case, you're nuts.

Hightower has gotten goal-line carries, but he brings a lot more to the table than that. The tape is there. Just watch it. I'm not saying he's going to be a superstar for us, but LenDale White he is not.

For the record, I never said scoring touchdowns makes you "elite," but it certainly doesn't hurt you as a player. If we have Helu and Torain but also added a guy with a proven nose for the endzone, how is that in any way a bad thing? Especially for the low price we paid?

Please enlighten me as to the point of your drivel.

I'm saying none of those things. I am already well aware of his reputed blocking, catching, and goal line skills. You don't need to tell me to watch the tape when I already have accepted such things.

The mention of LenDale White is to show how difficult it is to sift the "truly good" and the "truly bad" this particular class of backs. Also, another factoid is that just because the back has had a good year, does not mean he's a good back in general.

As for Hightower, I already think he'll be better than Betts and there is good chance he'll beat out Keiland Williams, barring poor preseason performances.

And yes, I'm aware I'm the neighborhood idiot here(not that I'm completely blameless), and hence all statements put forth by me will be deemed the viewpoints of a demented mind and full of irrational inneundo, justified or not.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I'm saying none of those things. I am already well aware of his reputed blocking, catching, and goal line skills. You don't need to tell me to watch the tape when I already have accepted such things.

The mention of LenDale White is to show how difficult it is to sift the "truly good" and the "truly bad" this particular class of backs. Also, another factoid is that just because the back has had a good year, does not mean he's a good back in general.

As for Hightower, I already think he'll be better than Betts and there is good chance he'll beat out Keiland Williams, barring poor preseason performances.

And yes, I'm aware I'm the neighborhood idiot here(not that I'm completely blameless), and hence all statements put forth by me will be deemed the viewpoints of a demented mind and full of irrational inneundo, justified or not.

You're not the neighborhood idiot. You're something, but not the neighborhood idiot.

But you still have really yet to illustrate a point here. Is it simply that scoring a lot of TD's doesn't necessarily mean you're a good back? If so, then fine, but LenDale White in that case really hurts your argument actually. He was truly one dimensional. A big load that couldn't really catch, wasn't fast, didn't have great vision, and his blocking was ho-hum. You can't really use him as an argument against Tim Hightower as far as predictors for success. LenDale White wishes he had the multiple skill-sets of Hightower.

No one here (except for sportscurmudgeon) is saying the guy is going to be a superstar, but he's done enough to prove he's no LenDale White, and he's arguably better than anyone else on our roster at the position.

[JoeRedskin]

I just want to know what SCP's point is. Do you think he's a dog we shouldn't have traded a low round pick for? Or are you saying he's just an average joe? or are you you just creating a humongous argument while trying to prove some tangential point (if so, that's my job buddy and saden1 is first on the depth chart)?

If the first, possibly but clearly he had some skills and may end up one of those low-risk high reward guys (or even low risk, some reward). If the second, not sure anyone is disagreeing with you all that vociferously.

[skinsfaninok]

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