McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

By listening to your comments you almost make it seem personal. While he was in Philly, McNabb was a top 5-10 QB. Any person w/ football knowledge would probably agree. Outside of Tom Brady I don't think anyone did more w/ less. Right now he simply doesn't have the weapons around him to be a top Qb, and he's no longer good enough to carry an offense, like he did for so many years in Philly.

It's not personal, I just get a bit annoyed with the "he's a class act" label he keeps getting slapped with by the average fan. He's not a class act. He essentially defied the coaching staff and then blasted the coaching staff (via his agent) when it caught up with him(aka..benched). Really, in the grand scheme of things, isn't that what Haynesworth did? Refused to do what the coaching staff asked, and basically did his own thing? I'm just ready to move on from that horrible chapter of Redskins history. What he is though, is a good PR guy.

[SFREDSKIN]

After his 39 yard passing performance against the Chargers, he is on pace to throw for 624 yards this season.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I also want to mention exactly why McNabb has diminished. His whole career, his ability to run has kept him afloat at the top of the QB list in the NFC. As the years passed and injuries mounted, his ability to run has all but vanished which is why he's struggling as a QB now. He never had the skills to be a top flight QB to begin with (accuracy, pocket presence, intelligence, quick release) that the others have. (Manning, Rivers, Brady, Brees) It's not McNabb's age (34) that is making his decline show. Look no further than the 39-40 year old Brett Farve almost pulling out a MVP to debunk that notion. If your whole game relied on your wheels, expect a lower shelf life for those types of QBs. This is why I'm so dead set against the "run first" kind of QBs that come into the league. That might get you far in the NCAA and win you some games in the NFL, but to really progress and prolong your career, you need to win games from the pocket with the abilities I mention prior.

Didnt see the game,only highlights and as I was watching the highlights I thought to myself that Mcnabb looked like his old self when he was scrambling.I thought he looked better then last yr{as far as his scrambling is concerned} Im going to rewatch the highlights and see if I change my mind

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

After his 39 yard passing performance against the Chargers, he is on pace to throw for 624 yards this season.

Meanwhile Tom Brady is on pace to throw for 8,272 yards 64 TD's and 16 Int's.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Meanwhile Tom Brady is on pace to throw for 8,272 yards 64 TD's and 16 Int's.

That seems about right.

[SmootSmack]

Alex Smith is on pace to throw 0 interceptions...so marinate on that

[53Fan]

Damn! I knew we should have signed him!

[mooby]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Damn! I knew we should have signed him!

Took the words out of my mouth.

Also, did you guys know Sexy Rexy is on pace to throw for 4880 yards, 32 touchdowns, and no picks this season? Can you say Pro Bowl?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by mooby

Took the words out of my mouth.

Also, did you guys know Sexy Rexy is on pace to throw for 4880 yards, 32 touchdowns, and no picks this season? Can you say Pro Bowl?

Tell that to his fan that got banned, he would have a wet dream.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by mooby

Took the words out of my mouth.

Also, did you guys know Sexy Rexy is on pace to throw for 4880 yards, 32 touchdowns, and no picks this season? Can you say Pro Bowl?

Yes, but he will still loose 16 fumbles.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

After his 39 yard passing performance against the Chargers, he is on pace to throw for 624 yards this season.

well, that's assuming he doesn't get benched. 624 might be optimistic.

[EZG1]

I have to admit that I was fairly pleased when we acquire McNabb. With the a similar history to Elway (Unable to win "The Big Game"), I mistakenly thought that Shanahan could mold or modify McNabb's game to achieve positive results. Unfortunately my flawed deductive reasoning, for several reasons; (inability to accept change, poor offensive line play, lack of quality receivers, deterioration of athletic skills), was terribly wrong. That being said, I look at it as a expensive lesson learned. We appear to be moving in the right direction now, and additional mistakes will be made, but I have full confidence in our current administration's ability to recover from bad decisions and move forward!

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Yes, but he will still loose 16 fumbles.

Ah good point.

[NLC1054]

You know, people bring up the receivers we had last year a lot...

I was recounting last year how McNabb struggled finishing games. One of the most maligned guys on the team last season was Joey Galloway. But when I thought about it, there were so many times when McNabb sold Galloway out.

Week 2, Joey is wide open, McNabb overthrows him in the end zone, no touchdown on what would've iced the game for the team. Week 4, Galloway's wide open again, streaking towards the end zone, but McNabb throws an bizrre interception right to an Eagles player. Like, right to him. Galloway runs wide open on the right, and McNabb throws left right to an Eagle.

Versus Indy, Galloway has a step on his man, McNabb doesn't put it far enough out in front of Joey, picked off. Titans game, Joey comes open for the first down in the red zone, McNabb comes back to him so late that Galloway is literally waving his arms around screaming "I'M OPEN", only by time McNabb gets the message, the DB catch on, picked off.

Galloway could've easily had three touchdowns, all of them game sealing, but McNabb completely sold him out, and the blame falls on Joey.

And let's not forget the deep passes to Armstrong that should've been touchdowns, and you could throw Fred Davis in there too, since Davis had to come back to some of those.

Hindsight really is 20/20...

[skins89moss]

I still think we should have just rode with Jason in Shanny's first season to see if he could play better. McNabb 1 season in DC giving up a 2nd and 4th rd pick. That was a big F-Up so it was better to let him go than bring him back for a 2nd season. We got out of his crazy contract and rec'd a late rd pick for McNasty. Glad he is not our QB problem.