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JoeRedskin · 09-20-2011, 05:02 PM

Didn't see it happen but, if it did, they should be penalized. The players fined and the team either fined or forfiet a draft pick. B. Ryan's teams were famous for it and it is why they instituted the rule that a stoppage for injury in the last two minutes costs you a time out.

The rules allow stoppages for "injured players" not fake injured players:

"TIMING: ... 4. The Referee will allow necessary time to attend to an injured player, or repair a legal player's equipment."
NFL Rules

Inside the last two minutes, you get one extra "mulligan" for an injured player but after that, you are penalized 5 yards for clock stoppages caused by injuries.

"TIMING IN THE LAST TWO MINUTES: ... 2. A team cannot buy an excess time out for a penalty. However, a fourth time out is allowed without penalty for an injured player, who must be removed immediately. A fifth time out or more is allowed for an injury and a five-yard penalty is assessed if the clock was running. Additionally, if the clock was running and the score is tied or the team in possession is losing, the ball cannot be put in play for at least 10 seconds on the fourth or more time out. The half or game can end while those 10 seconds are run off on the clock."
NFL Rules

Faking an injury to stop the is not the same as the quarterback running the clock down or the ref dropping the ball. In the first case, the play is permitted and explicitly allowed by the rules:

"TIMING: ... 6. Time between plays will be 40 seconds from the end of a given play until the snap of the ball for the next play, or a 25-second interval after certain administrative stoppages and game delays."
NFL Rules

Teams may use less than the 40 allotted seconds but they are not permitted to use more and are penalized for doing so. As to the ref dropping the ball, it's an unintentional act by an non-participant in the game and is not an attempt to gain an unfair competitive advantage by one side or the other.

At a minimun, faking an injury to stop the clock or give your team a breather - being a deceitful act to gain an unfair competitive advantage in the game - should be an unsportsmanlike conduct foul with a resultant 15 yard penalty if caught in game.

SBXVII · 09-20-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

So what is the difference of maybe not getting off another player when the play is over to run off time,maybe the ball rolls away from the ref....anything to take time away from the other team,clock management.

Well to be honest the player who sits on the opponent trying to kill time or rolls the ball away from the ref can get hit with a delay of game and penalized yards. Maybe that's how the refs should look at players faking injuries (ie; good plays by Giants fans).

NC_Skins · 09-20-2011, 05:15 PM

Hey guys! How about those Redskins!!

Lotus · 09-20-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Well to be honest the player who sits on the opponent trying to kill time or rolls the ball away from the ref can get hit with a delay of game and penalized yards. Maybe that's how the refs should look at players faking injuries (ie; good plays by Giants fans).

I like that. If the ref judges that you are faking, a five yard penalty is applied. That would help to cut down on faking.

SmootSmack · 09-20-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

I like that. If the ref judges that you are faking, a five yard penalty is applied. That would help to cut down on faking.

Wait...are we still talking about football here?

CWest · 09-20-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wait...are we still talking about football here?

Love to hear the ref's description of that one, "He was...giving her the business."

Dirtbag59 · 09-20-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

League could fine for faking injuries if it could be proven | ProFootballTalk

A close friend of mine who watches European Club Soccer says that diving seems like it's being carded more then ever. I guess the tolerance for these kinds of tactics are being cracked down across the sports world.

Giantone · 09-20-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

I'm not upset.. How could I be? We are 2-0,!

...why yes, yes you are.

Giantone · 09-20-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wait...are we still talking about football here?

noooooooooooope.

Giantone · 09-20-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekSkin

dont be a fool, this isn't an embellishment, it's a straight up lie.

Personally I don't even care, I found it both funny and lame (i.e. not smart, or a good idea)

and p.s. your Giants didn't invent the move, it's been done before and it's always been embarrassing.

Name calling....nice.So you're a Doctor....so you know if it was cramps, or a stinger?
Still haven't answerd about the punter but hey that's ok,you can't.

Swarley · 09-20-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

A close friend of mine who watches European Club Soccer says that diving seems like it's being carded more then ever. I guess the tolerance for these kinds of tactics are being cracked down across the sports world.

This is very true. I watch plenty European Soccer and soccer in general. It's frowned upon by fans, refs, and finally by coaches.

Giantone · 09-20-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekSkin

This is very true. I watch plenty European Soccer and soccer in general. It's frowned upon by fans, refs, and finally by coaches.

LOL.......

Swarley · 09-20-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Name calling....nice.So you're a Doctor....so you know if it was cramps, or a stinger?
Still haven't answerd about the punter but hey that's ok,you can't.

I did answer the punter thing. There is a big difference between embellishment and a straight up lie.

TWO of your players hit the ground and once one one saw the other was down as well he popped up? Do you seriously believe there was a real injury at that point??

Btw I said don't be a fool, it's not name calling unless you choose to be one.

Swarley · 09-20-2011, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL.......

it's off-topic and bs? or off-topic bs? I was just elaborating on a point someone else made...

budw38 · 09-20-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

League could fine for faking injuries if it could be proven | ProFootballTalk

If the league fines players for faking being tired , the patriots might not have to pay big Albert this season

. I don't see the ref's flagging this during games , however the league should fine teams ( maybe take draft picks ) , if it is done on several occasions during the season .

09-20-2011, 05:02 PM	#211
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 63 Posts: 10,401	Re: Around The NFL week 2 Didn't see it happen but, if it did, they should be penalized. The players fined and the team either fined or forfiet a draft pick. B. Ryan's teams were famous for it and it is why they instituted the rule that a stoppage for injury in the last two minutes costs you a time out. The rules allow stoppages for "injured players" not fake injured players: "TIMING: ... 4. The Referee will allow necessary time to attend to an injured player, or repair a legal player's equipment." NFL Rules Inside the last two minutes, you get one extra "mulligan" for an injured player but after that, you are penalized 5 yards for clock stoppages caused by injuries. "TIMING IN THE LAST TWO MINUTES: ... 2. A team cannot buy an excess time out for a penalty. However, a fourth time out is allowed without penalty for an injured player, who must be removed immediately. A fifth time out or more is allowed for an injury and a five-yard penalty is assessed if the clock was running. Additionally, if the clock was running and the score is tied or the team in possession is losing, the ball cannot be put in play for at least 10 seconds on the fourth or more time out. The half or game can end while those 10 seconds are run off on the clock." NFL Rules Faking an injury to stop the is not the same as the quarterback running the clock down or the ref dropping the ball. In the first case, the play is permitted and explicitly allowed by the rules: "TIMING: ... 6. Time between plays will be 40 seconds from the end of a given play until the snap of the ball for the next play, or a 25-second interval after certain administrative stoppages and game delays." NFL Rules Teams may use less than the 40 allotted seconds but they are not permitted to use more and are penalized for doing so. As to the ref dropping the ball, it's an unintentional act by an non-participant in the game and is not an attempt to gain an unfair competitive advantage by one side or the other. At a minimun, faking an injury to stop the clock or give your team a breather - being a deceitful act to gain an unfair competitive advantage in the game - should be an unsportsmanlike conduct foul with a resultant 15 yard penalty if caught in game. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

09-20-2011, 05:15 PM	#213
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,747	Re: Around The NFL week 2 Hey guys! How about those Redskins!! __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

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