Cowboys DT charged with Intoxicated Manslaughter

[punch it in]

Bottom line is he they both made dumb decisions and one guy is dead and the other probably wishes he was too rite about now. They both did something that millions of people do around the world everyday. Doesnt make it rite but nobody meant to hurt anyone. Some of the comments on here sound so spiteful. This was an accident and before anyone says well it was no accident that he had the drinks in the first place - i hope your fire alarms have good batteries and or have been inspected because if something happens it was your choice not to do so. There are hundreds of other examples - do any of you own guns? Are they safe and secure? Are you sure? Are the tires and brakes on all your cars ok? Bald tires are super dangerous so get em changed - if you dont and you cause an accident and kill someone it will be your fault for being to cheap and lazy to do so. I could go on and on. Dude made a mistake. He will pay for it the rest of his life.
He ****ed up.
None of you are perfect. Nobody is.
Edit: im not comparing driving drunk to neglect of your car- even though at 65mph both can be extremely hazardous. Im just pointing out that a bad decision can lead to a very unfortunate end, but we still have to differentiate from the severity of those decisions. Having a few drinks with ur best friend n going home is not exactly shooting someone

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Deaths have dropped to an all time low. The number are skewed but that's another thread.


Not only did the number of people killed in drunk driving crashes in 2011 (9,878) drop by 2.5 percent from the number killed in 2010 (10,136), but this decline outpaced the 1.9 percent decrease in overall highway deaths. "Our efforts are paying off in lives saved and injuries prevented," added Withers.
Since MADD was founded in 1980, more than 300,000 lives have been saved as a result of efforts to strengthen drunk driving laws and raise awareness about this 100 percent preventable crime. In addition, since MADD's Campaign to Eliminate Drunk Driving was launched in 2006, we've seen an almost 27 percent decrease in drunk driving fatalities. The campaign includes three important components: 1) supporting high-visibility law enforcement efforts, such as sobriety checkpoints and NHTSA's nationwide 'Drive Sober or Get Pulled Over' campaign; 2) requiring ignition interlocks for all convicted drunk drivers; and 3) supporting the development of technology to automatically determine whether a driver is at or above the legal limit of .08 blood alcohol concentration (BAC).

Well that's good to hear. Still support bha's idea.

[punch it in]

The breathalyzer would be a great idea if they could make sure somehow it was the drunk driver that was actually blowing in it. The fact that you may not be driving your own vehicle makes the idea seem impossible though.

[The Goat]

Eyewitness describes scene at crash that claimed the life of Cowboys linebacker Jerry Brown | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports

Brent sounds like a real classy guy.

[SmootSmack]

Goat has gone from not watching games to not reading posts

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Eyewitness describes scene at crash that claimed the life of Cowboys linebacker Jerry Brown | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports

Brent sounds like a real classy guy.

This article has been determined by our criminal investigators here at the Warpath to be a false article by a lying witness. One of our doctors here then pointed out Brent was clearly in "shock." Hopefully they will be called to the stand to testify in the trial as the experts.

[The Goat]

I can't believe anyone would defend Brent's actions, in any way shape or form. Gotta call out low character/integriy when you see it.

Moving on...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I can't believe anyone would defend Brent's actions, in any way shape or form. Gotta call out low character/integriy when you see it.

Moving on...

And you also have to call out lazy/low reading comprehension abilities when you see it.... as is the case with you in this instance.

Brent has low character for drinking and driving. The "witness" has low character for being a media craving attention whore. The writer of that article possibly has low character for irresponsible sensationalist publishing... but i guess thats what theyre paid to do.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This article has been determined by our criminal investigators here at the Warpath to be a false article by a lying witness. One of our doctors here then pointed out Brent was clearly in "shock." Hopefully they will be called to the stand to testify in the trial as the experts.

Do you really believe that he was standing there waiting to see his best friend burn alive? I realize we werent at the scene but knowing what we know my educated guess says that he was not exactly all there at the moment.

[los panda]

eyewitness accounts are usually inaccurate.

people remember things differently.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

And you also have to call out low reading and comprehension abilities when you see it.... as is the case with you.

WTF are you talking about, it wasn't even the same article? Regardless, it sounds like you've been through a number of tragic accidents, and have seen people respond immediately afterward, no?

Personally, a group of friends in high school crashed (driver was drunk) and one of the passangers (also drunk and badly injured) trucked through a cow pasture to call 911. This is way before cell phones (damn, that makes me feel old). The big scare is one guy was riding in the trunk, which was all crushed up and nobody could get in. Long story short, no fatalities.
Also personally I got into a bad sitz on Flathead Lake (I was dead drunk, along with everyone else in the boat) and when the waves started crashing we all responded pretty effectively.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I can't believe anyone would defend Brent's actions, in any way shape or form. Gotta call out low character/integriy when you see it.

Moving on...

No one is defending him driving drunk. That occurrence was a fact. One eyewitness account on a sensational piece isn't enough to say Brent chose not to help his teammate after the accident. Give me several accounts and then maybe we can take that seriously.

I look at and debate the facts. It's amazing how people get caught in group think and mob mentality. What's the quote ...the way to see how civilized a country and a group of people are is to see how the accused and arrested are treated?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by hooskins

No one is defending him driving drunk. That occurrence was a fact. One eyewitness account on a sensational piece isn't enough to say Brent chose not to help his teammate after the accident. Give me several accounts and then maybe we can take that seriously.

I look at and debate the facts. It's amazing how people get caught in group think and mob mentality. What's the quote ...the way to see how civilized a country and a group of people are is to see how the accused and arrested are treated?

Very good post. I don't think anyone in this thread (or in Belcher's thread) is justifying or defending these tragic/heinous acts. But it is a bit maddening to see people get caught in that mob mentality, pass judgement, and become armchair psychologists (unless you happen to be one).

While I thankfully never had to deal with this, from my perspective, having the death of a friend on your conscience has got to be one of the worst punishment that Brent will have to endure. I am not saying that we should pity him or sympathize, but I just find it a bit surprising how easily people dismiss this. I am sure Brent will do time in jail and his life as he knew it is basically over. But that guilt of killing his friend will be with him until the end of his life.

[REDSKINS4ever]

I just hope Brent wasn't drinking Wild Irish Rose or Ripple or any type of cheap wine. If he was drinking and driving, then why was the Cowboys player that was killed in the car with him? He took an unnecessary risk with his own life. You don't allow yourself to get into a vehicle with a driver that is getting tore up. That's a total no-no.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Just saw this report on PFT.

Chilling eyewitness account says Josh Brent initially reluctant to tend to Jerry Brown
Posted by Curtis Crabtree on December 11, 2012, 1:55 AM EST
A Section AP

More details continue to emerge from the incident early Saturday morning that ended the life of Dallas Cowboys linebacker Jerry Brown and landed defensive tackle Josh Brent in jail charged with intoxication manslaughter.

The Dallas Morning News interviewed Stacee McWilliams, an eyewitness to the crash scene. In a four-minute video interview, McWilliams described driving up on the scene of the accident shortly after the incident took place. She described the situation saying Brent had already exited the mangled vehicle and was walking around while Brown remained in the vehicle. Another person had stopped at the scene and already dialed 911.

McWilliams arrived seeing Brent in the street and didn’t realize there was another passenger still in the car. McWilliams then described hearing Brown call out from the vehicle for help with Brent allegedly unwilling to tend to his friend and teammate.

“Josh looked at me and he said ‘(Brown) won’t get out of the car,’” McWilliams said. “And I said ‘well you can’t just leave him in there and let him die, you’ve got to help him. Go get him.’ I commanded him several times and Josh looked at me again and he said ‘he won’t get out of the car’ and I told him ‘you can’t stand here and watch him die. You’ve got to get him out.’ He still didn’t move so I thought he wasn’t going to help at all.”

McWilliams said as she returned to her car to retrieve her cell phone, Brent finally did tend to Brown and pulled him from the burning wreckage.

“I want people to understand that Josh Brent is not a hero,” McWilliams said. “I keep hearing reports of how he was there to pull his friend from the fire but he had to be coerced and pushed and begged and pleaded to get his friend out of the fire and when he pulled him out, he just left him in the street. He didn’t tell him ‘hang in there, help is on the way.’ Nothing. He just left him there and I want the magnitude of that to be understood.”