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[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Bro, your source is bill gates funded, liberal org attempting to gaslight the facts

Even from your own source:

In his 2014 memoir, Duty, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates wrote that he and Biden were “the two primary skeptics” of the raid during national security team meetings that were held in March and April 2011 to debate whether to strike the compound. Gates wrote that “Biden’s primary concern was the political consequences of failure.”

During the fateful meeting in question on April 28, 2011, Gates said “Biden was against the operation.”

Obama stated it previously, Biden told him not to go.

This entire argument strikes me as dumb as fuck. You guys want things to be so black and white.

Why couldn't Joe Biden be against the plan in the beginning and then gradually be persuaded it was for the best (or at least his mind was changed when he realized it was gonna happen with or without his approval)?

Obviously Obama came out and said Biden was against it. But that doesn't mean the night of the raid Biden was pouting in the corner - who's to say he wasn't swayed by the argument that a 60% shot of killing Bin Laden was the best odds they're ever gonna get?

Sometimes it feels like you guys forget you're talking about people, where opinions and feelings can change by the minute. Or maybe you forget because these are career politicians in a political climate where both sides are very dug in - having an open mind means being open to new ideas and your stance changing when new info comes available.