You Win as a Team and You Lose as One - Discipline Issues

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The criticisms of upper management that you call "tired" only seem that way to you because the long list of mistakes made by Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato are one of the few constants of Snyder's reign as the owner of the Redskins. Naturally, those of us who believe that it all starts at the top are going to bring this up over and over again because the issue never goes away. It is the elephant in the room and it cannot be ignored.

Let me ask you this. Does it make any sense to you whatsoever that Dan Snyder would hire Joe Gibbs to establish a culture of winning at Redskins Park by building a coaching staff, roster, and style of play that could be carried into the future and then, when Joe left, not hire someone from the Gibbs coaching tree to carry the work forward? I think that was a huge mistake by Snyder that made virtually everything that Gibbs did for the Redskins a waste of time and effort.

Having the foundation built for him by Joe Gibbs and then moving away from that by hiring someone from another coaching tree was an act of extreme hubris on Snyder's part. I remember that, when Gibbs left, Snyder was asked during a press conference what he learned from Joe Gibbs. After a long pause, he finally said "patience". The truth is he learned next to nothing.

Anything that goes wrong during Zorn's tenure is ultimately the fault of Dan Snyder because he's the man that blew up the foundation Joe Gibbs built for him.

Well, a couple of points with this.

Many of the coaches did return after Gibbs left.

But I think what you're trying to say is why go with Zorn and the WCO as your head coach and offensive system? To which I would say, as much as I revere Joe Gibbs a) he didn't really leave us with any strong head coach (some would argue Gregg Williams, personally not a fan of his as a head coach) and b) even in Gibbs' four years the style of play was a bit inconsistent. 2004-Joe Gibbs mainly get his feet wet again, 2005-Gibbs brings Musgrave in to be the QB coach and Musgrave convinces Gibbs to start using the shotgun and add a little WCO flair (and we put up strong offensive numbers), 2006-Gibbs brings in Al Saunders (more similar to Gibbs than Musgrave, but still a bit more complex and pass happy), 2007-Gibbs reluctantly brings Saunders back.

So I guess the question is what style of play were we actually carrying over. And, interestingly enough, when Williams was coaching in Buffalo they ran a West Coast Offense. Personally I wish we still had Musgrave on the staff, but that's a topic for another time

I believe he has learned patience. I just hope that he's not patient just to show that he's patient. Meaning that if a change is needed at the end of this season we make that change. Not just continue as is to prove any point.