D.Hall is back!

[12thMan]

LOL.

I was on some Jameson last night and had a few, say, exchanges with Rich Campbell on twitter. He's all Orakpo this and that and D.Hall is status quo or some shit. I'm all, whatever dude, you can have Rak. Give me D.Hall.

I just feel for all the hype, Rak has zero turnovers or game changing plays to show for it. At least none that I can think of. I know it's a D.Hall thread, but the point remains.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

LOL.

I was on some Jameson last night and had a few, say, exchanges with Rich Campbell on twitter. He's all Orakpo this and that and D.Hall is status quo or some shit. I'm all, whatever dude, you can have Rak. Give me D.Hall.

I just feel for all the hype, Rak has zero turnovers or game changing plays to show for it. At least none that I can think of. I know it's a D.Hall thread, but the point remains.

Yeah, gotta disagree on Rak. In coverage and space obviously he is just god aweful. But up on the line he is a force. Just hope he can stay healthy a full year.

But your saying, f*ck the cowbell, you need more D Hall!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah, gotta disagree on Rak. In coverage and space obviously he is just god aweful. But up on the line he is a force. Just hope he can stay healthy a full year.

But your saying, f*ck the cowbell, you need more D Hall!

So in other words, Brian Orakpo is one dimensional and needs improvement. We're on the same page.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

LOL.

I was on some Jameson last night and had a few, say, exchanges with Rich Campbell on twitter. He's all Orakpo this and that and D.Hall is status quo or some shit. I'm all, whatever dude, you can have Rak. Give me D.Hall.

I just feel for all the hype, Rak has zero turnovers or game changing plays to show for it. At least none that I can think of. I know it's a D.Hall thread, but the point remains.

So basically according to your standards, only players that create turnovers and make extreme game changing plays like defensive touchdowns are worth anything on a defense?

So Hall is better than...

J.J. Watt
Geno Atkins
NaVorro Bowman
Justin Smith
Cameron Wake
or even Chris Long?

If defensive players were rated only by interceptions, touchdowns, and huge plays I guess these players would not be very valuable then... Orakpo isn't the greatest defender/outside linebacker in the NFL, but I have seen what happens when he is out of the lineup. I would take Orakpo over Hall any day of the week.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by donofriose

So basically according to your standards, only players that create turnovers and make extreme game changing plays like defensive touchdowns are worth anything on a defense?

So Hall is better than...

J.J. Watt
Geno Atkins
NaVorro Bowman
Justin Smith
Cameron Wake
or even Chris Long?

If defensive players were rated only by interceptions, touchdowns, and huge plays I guess these players would not be very valuable then... Orakpo isn't the greatest defender/outside linebacker in the NFL, but I have seen what happens when he is out of the lineup. I would take Orakpo over Hall any day of the week.

Jesus, man. Did I say that? I'm not even suggesting that. That said, it's a joke that you've mentioned Rak in the same breath as J.J. Watt and Justin Smith...or Cameron Wake.

I think Orakpo is a very good defensive player with superstar potential. But he hasn't reached stud status in my opinion.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Jesus, man. Did I say that? I'm not even suggesting that. That said, it's a joke that you've mentioned Rak in the same breath as J.J. Watt and Justin Smith...or Cameron Wake.

I think Orakpo is a very good defensive player with superstar potential. But he hasn't reached stud status in my opinion.

Neither has Hall.

How about we move on from these useless comparisons?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by donofriose

So basically according to your standards, only players that create turnovers and make extreme game changing plays like defensive touchdowns are worth anything on a defense?

So Hall is better than...

J.J. Watt
Geno Atkins
NaVorro Bowman
Justin Smith
Cameron Wake
or even Chris Long?

If defensive players were rated only by interceptions, touchdowns, and huge plays I guess these players would not be very valuable then... Orakpo isn't the greatest defender/outside linebacker in the NFL, but I have seen what happens when he is out of the lineup. I would take Orakpo over Hall any day of the week.

We went to the playoffs.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

We went to the playoffs.

I think the answer he was looking for was our pass rush was non-existent at times.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think the answer he was looking for was our pass rush was non-existent at times.

It affected Kerrigan's effectiveness for sure. Usually, Orakpo and Kerrigan both warrant double-teams (or holds) so one of them usually has a path to the backfield because it's impossible to double two guys at once. When Orakpo was missing, Kerrigan was neutralized most of the time by the opponents.

We'll see the dominant rookie year version of Kerrigan back if Orakpo is on the field.

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Hall is worth something... and I've softened my stance on him a little. But he isn't worth what we were going to have to pay him by any fantastical stretch of the imagination. Now I assume he's somewhat of a bargain for us.

We went from owing him $7.5 million in 2013 to paying him $2.25 million.