Pro-gun article

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Thus making it useless. No, I will keep mine virtually undetectable and close to hand. If someone broke into my place I want it handy.

Why would it make it useless? Due to the time it would take to open the safe? What are your thoughts on making gun owners that have guns stolen from them that aren't locked up being held liable if their gun is used in a murder? (Honestly want your thoughts not being snarky)

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Why would it make it useless? Due to the time it would take to open the safe? What are your thoughts on making gun owners that have guns stolen from them that aren't locked up being held liable if their gun is used in a murder? (Honestly want your thoughts not being snarky)

duh

Utterly ridiculous/laughable/stupid etc etc

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

duh

Utterly ridiculous/laughable/stupid etc etc

wow. Incredible post in which you provide no useful insight into your line of thinking. Thanks.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

wow. Incredible post in which you provide no useful insight into your line of thinking. Thanks.

Sorry dude, but what you're saying is ridiculous and waaaaay out there.
You seriously want to discuss jailing people because someone stole their property? Thats looney tunes.
Do you know anything at all about firearms?

[BaltimoreSkins]

I will confess that I have had very uncomfortable experiences with firearms. However my basic opinion is that if you want to own a gun it is your right and who am I to say you shouldn't. I would just like safety and accountability from those that do own guns, this stems from my personal experiences. I have fired guns and enjoy shooting ranges.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I will confess that I have had very uncomfortable experiences with firearms. However my basic opinion is that if you want to own a gun it is your right and who am I to say you shouldn't. I would just like safety and accountability from those that do own guns, this stems from my personal experiences. I have fired guns and enjoy shooting ranges.

Fair enough.
But the "big picture" needs to be considered very heavily when you talk about radical (very radical) law changes for gun owners.
Like I said before there are an estimated 300++ million guns out there that belong to private owners.

[BaltimoreSkins]

No doubt. I am guessing that liability of gun owners is going to be the pathway gun control advocates are going to try to pursue next since they can't get current gun control agendas passed. I have also heard of requiring gun insurance, which imo won't do a damn thing.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

No doubt. I am guessing that liability of gun owners is going to be the pathway gun control advocates are going to try to pursue next since they can't get current gun control agendas passed. I have also heard of requiring gun insurance, which imo won't do a damn thing.

I disagree, I think it will help a lot. Tax gun owners , make them have insurance and fee the hell out of them, price ammunition to the moon .As you have seen even when you use logic as with your suggestion about gun safes ,you get insulted. What the right wing gun nuts don't get is this is about gun safety ,not their right to own guns.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I disagree, I think it will help a lot. Tax gun owners , make them have insurance and fee the hell out of them, price ammunition to the moon .As you have seen even when you use logic as with your suggestion about gun safes ,you get insulted. What the right wing gun nuts don't get is this is about gun safety ,not their right to own guns.

Poor don't have a right to defend themselves?

There have already been suggestions to charge $10 a round in an attempt to price gun ownership into collapse. Then only the rich will be able to afford guns.

If you can't see the stupidity of an idea when others point it out maybe this thread isn't for you?

I'll make the statement in clearer terms for you, GiantOne: If the weapon you have to defend yourself is made impractically unavailable why have it?

Yes, that's a great way for the anti-gun hippie wankers to achieve their goal of a harmonious 'rainbows and unicorns skipping free land of peace'.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I disagree, I think it will help a lot. Tax gun owners , make them have insurance and fee the hell out of them, price ammunition to the moon .As you have seen even when you use logic as with your suggestion about gun safes ,you get insulted. What the right wing gun nuts don't get is this is about gun safety ,not their right to own guns.

So make firearms so expensive that most people cant afford them?
Thats basically what you just said.
Why feck around with that?
Just cut to the chase and have the feds come take them away.

What about the left wing gun nuts?
There are hundreds of thousands of them in this country.
Do they get to have guns?

Ammunition prices are already to the moon, plus some.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

So make firearms so expensive that most people cant afford them?
Thats basically what you just said.
Why feck around with that?
Just cut to the chase and have the feds come take them away.

What about the left wing gun nuts?
There are hundreds of thousands of them in this country.
Do they get to have guns?

Ammunition prices are already to the moon, plus some.

No ,not basically. That is what I said and that is what I meant . Cigarette's were 75 cents a pack out of a machine in the 70's

Virginia ($5.55): $5.43....still has not stop anyone.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I disagree, I think it will help a lot. Tax gun owners , make them have insurance and fee the hell out of them, price ammunition to the moon .As you have seen even when you use logic as with your suggestion about gun safes ,you get insulted. What the right wing gun nuts don't get is this is about gun safety ,not their right to own guns.

Very dishonest argument on your part, giantone.

Say the Feds increase the price of gas 100x, to reduce the number of auto accidents a year. Still feel that people's ability to use their cars will be unaffected? "Fee the hell out of them" is affecting a person's right to use the item in question.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Very dishonest argument on your part, giantone.

Say the Feds increase the price of gas 100x, to reduce the number of auto accidents a year. Still feel that people's ability to use their cars will be unaffected? "Fee the hell out of them" is affecting a person's right to use the item in question.

My car is insured the state says it must be, I pay taxes on it, my gas , oil, I pay a fee to get rid of my tires all taxed, and to drive it I must pay tolls and if I hurt injure ,or kill someone they can sue me and to drive it I must make sure it runs right by letting the government do emissions test on it .I MUST ALSO have a license to drive it and if I can't or drive it unsafe ...the government can take it, hell the government will even give me and eye test to make sure I can drive well, do I want guns treated like cars ...SHIT YES!!!

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

My car is insured the state says it must be, I pay taxes on it, my gas , oil, I pay a fee to get rid of my tires all taxed, and to drive it I must pay tolls and if I hurt injure ,or kill someone they can sue me and to drive it I must make sure it runs right by letting the government do emissions test on it .I MUST ALSO have a license to drive it and if I can't or drive it unsafe ...the government can take it, hell the government will even give me and I test to make sure I can drive well, do I want guns treated like cars ...SHIT YES!!!

No, you said "Fee the hell out of them (gun owners), price ammunition to the moon".

If you're actually in favor of this same kind of approach to car owners too, I have to ask "What do you have against people being able to drive?"

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I disagree, I think it will help a lot. Tax gun owners , make them have insurance and fee the hell out of them, price ammunition to the moon .As you have seen even when you use logic as with your suggestion about gun safes ,you get insulted. What the right wing gun nuts don't get is this is about gun safety ,not their right to own guns.

All taxing and fees will only creat a black market for guns.