Update: Second Boston Marathon Suspect Captured

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I was watching something the other night about when Reagan got shot. In the intial news reports there was all sorts of misinformation. Some initial reports said he wasn't hit and was ok.

I think most networks were pretty careful yesterday in stressing when reports weren't completely verified.

Yeah, typicially i feel like they say "we are hearing that...." or "weve gotten reports that......".

I think its pretty obvisous when news shows are reporting unconfirmed information. Theres a lot of confusing when something like this happens, as long as a news outlet isnt making things up or offering unfounded specualitive opinion, i think its the right approach.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

With any major tragedy info flies around fast and furious. It's awfully hard to weed out all the inaccurate info in the midst of the initial chaos.

Yesterday the NY Post had 12 people dead about an hour after the explosion.

NY Post Criticized Over Coverage Of Boston Bombings

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yesterday the NY Post had 12 people dead about an hour after the explosion.

NY Post Criticized Over Coverage Of Boston Bombings

The Post is a rag. They definitely give news outlets a bad name with their reporting yesterday.

[Chico23231]

I hate to guess, but whats the feeling: Domestic or act of a foreign terrorist? At first, the simultaneous explosion and the reported possible cell phone use to detonate the bomb, possible saudi aprehended lead me to believe your foreign terrorist. But in the back of my mind, patriots day, got me thinking this is domestic.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hate to guess, but whats the feeling: Domestic or act of a foreign terrorist? At first, the simultaneous explosion and the reported possible cell phone use to detonate the bomb, possible saudi aprehended lead me to believe your foreign terrorist. But in the back of my mind, patriots day, got me thinking this is domestic.

My guess is domestic.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

My guess is domestic.

This. I no doubt think it's domestic related.


I wouldn't be surprised if it's some nutcase like all the other public mass murderers that wants his works and glory splattered all over the news. To me, if you have a beef with the government (Abortion clinics/Fed/Congress/President/FBI/CIA/IRS) and thought that violence was the only way to solve the issues, you'd target those areas you had the beef with, not innocent people. Look at the past domestic terrorism and you see they all clearly targeted the people they had issues with.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This. I no doubt think it's domestic related.


I wouldn't be surprised if it's some nutcase like all the other public mass murderers that wants his works and glory splattered all over the news. To me, if you have a beef with the government (Abortion clinics/Fed/Congress/President/FBI/CIA/IRS) and thought that violence was the only way to solve the issues, you'd target those areas you had the beef with, not innocent people. Look at the past domestic terrorism and you see they all clearly targeted the people they had issues with.

I agree with some of this.

It feels domestic to me, BUT attacks on random innocent people as opposed to govt offices, corporate headquarters, laborites, or important persons makes it feel a lot different to me. It makes me feel like it was just one crazy guy or perhaps a very small group acting distinctly and independent to whatever group they will be one day tied with.

And because i think it was only a person or 2 i think it could very easily be for any reason. A lonewolf who is mentally ill, far left or far right, considers himself an islamist or sympathises with a anti-America group all seem just as likely.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I agree with some of this.

It feels domestic to me, BUT attacks on random innocent people as opposed to govt offices, corporate headquarters, laborites, or important persons makes it feel a lot different to me. It makes me feel like it was just one crazy guy or perhaps a very small group acting distinctly and independent to whatever group they will be one day tied with.

And because i think it was only a person or 2 i think it could very easily be for any reason. A lonewolf who is mentally ill, far left or far right, considers himself an islamist or sympathises with a anti-America group all seem just as likely.

So exactly what part didn't you agree with? I said I thought this would probably be just like the other mass murderers that have happened. Politically motivated attacks generally focus on the group they have issues with.

Why does it have to be a Islamic or "anti-American" group? Eric Rudolph very much prided himself in being a "American" and bombed abortion clinics and the Atlanta Olympics. To him, he was doing "gods work" by stopping the murder of innocent babies.......by murdering innocent doctors/nurses. Timothy McVeigh wasn't Islamic or sympathize with islamic terrorist groups.

Just a note about the Atlanta Olympics bombing, Rudolph has made a statement that the bomb was intended for a specific target, and with dated timers and explosives he was working with, it created more damage than what he intended. He even went on to apologize to the people he hurt indirectly. That said, he's still ****ed in the head.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So exactly what part didn't you agree with? I said I thought this would probably be just like the other mass murderers that have happened. Politically motivated attacks generally focus on the group they have issues with.

Why does it have to be a Islamic or "anti-American" group? Eric Rudolph very much prided himself in being a "American" and bombed abortion clinics and the Atlanta Olympics. To him, he was doing "gods work" by stopping the murder of innocent babies.......by murdering innocent doctors/nurses. Timothy McVeigh wasn't Islamic or sympathize with islamic terrorist groups.

Just a note about the Atlanta Olympics bombing, Rudolph has made a statement that the bomb was intended for a specific target, and with dated timers and explosives he was working with, it created more damage than what he intended. He even went on to apologize to the people he hurt indirectly. That said, he's still ****ed in the head.

I think that he could be a nutcase, like at Aurora or Sandy Hook, who just just wanted to kill a lot of people. But I think the odds are greater that it was political in nature.

I agree that if you have beef with political target, be it a goverement or a corporation, an aboration clinic or medical lab, history tells us you would attack that specific organization and not attack random people. But if you are acting alone, in a small group, or with limited funding you may be unable to attack a specific organization without killing yourself in the process or having any chance of getting away.

Think about it this way. If someone blew up a bunch of people on a subway in DC on the 4th of July, would you think its most likely political or most likely a nut case kid like Adam Lanza? I just dont feel like its a nutcase, or at least the type of nutcases we have ailed with as Nation most recently.

And I think you misunderstood me. I dont think the person or persons have to be part of an islamic or anti-American group, but i think they could be. My guess is that its a lonewolf or a small group of less than 5 people. And because i believe the bomber to be part a small group my guess is that it could be for any reason. My odds:

25% Someone crazy (like your leaning towards).
25% Someone thats part of a fringe left or right group.
50% Someone who considers himself part of an islamist group or sympathises with an anti-America group.

[RedskinRat]

Domestic.

[Alvin Walton]

I agree its domestic. It just smells that way.
Cant wait to see who the asshole is that did this.

[Chico23231]

I think if it was foreign, they woulda tried something more elaborate with a HE blast wave that woulda taken out many more. It horrible to say, but foreign terrorist are probably not trying to take out store fronts, but the whole building(s).

[DynamiteRave]

Bombings always seem to have a domestic feel to them, though I know that's not always the case.

Reminds me of the ATL Olympic Park bombing back in the 90s.

[That Guy]

A trained terrorist would have set a second blast in the same spot as the first to nail all the first responders too... and they would have blasted the opening of the race with the higher density of people... the bomb locations were pretty bad for someone trying to kill a ton of people.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't domestic.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by That Guy

A trained terrorist would have set a second blast in the same spot as the first to nail all the first responders too... and they would have blasted the opening of the race with the higher density of people... the bomb locations were pretty bad for someone trying to kill a ton of people.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't domestic.

I thought this too. It made me almost feel like maybe the attacker was trying to make a point more so than kill as many people as possible.

Although it may be much harder for a person to place bombs at that location as the Boston Marathon starts off in a small country town and the runners gather in a park waiting to run. You might have to have a bib on or a pass to get close to where the runners are waiting and there may not be any hiding spots or trash cans to place your bombs. If you are acting alone and trying to pass off as a runner it may be impossible to get one bomb sized devise into the area, let alone two, when wearing minimul clothing. Often there are checkins and security at the start of the race, while little to no security throughout a race or at spectator spots.