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[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

They actually didn't give up all that much for him but IMO he isn't worth $14 million a year. That's pretty dumb. Tampa will be better but I still think it's Atlantas division to lose

Very close at the top now.

Tampa is going to have to still figure out how to prevent Dashon Goldson from getting beat deep, but if they can do that, this is probably the top defensive roster in the NFC.

[GridIron26]

Good deal on both sides, especially with the contract viewpoint. I'm really surprised Revis went for it, but there are probably somewhat easy incentives for Revis to accomplish, in order to get the money.

[Alvin Walton]

He was first round pick so they gain a 4th rounder thats about it.
At least they wont have to deal with his next contract.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

He was first round pick so they gain a 4th rounder thats about it.

Well, and, y'know, the six years he played in New York. Thats worth...something.

[That Guy]

meh. no gauranteed money is nice, but a 1st and 3rd for the honor of handing revis 96mill would make me uneasy.

i'd say good on the jets. revis is a headache, and even though you won't replace him with those picks, the extra money (and comp picks) will make the team a lot more flexible.

[GTripp0012]

It's a trade that makes a lot of sense for both teams. Tampa gets really good, really fast, and didn't have to get married to Revis in terms of contract or draft value. The Jets get one of the most valuable assets in the NFL (a first round pick) at the point when its most valuable (week of the draft, GMs first season in town), and gives Izdek enough ammo over the next two years to rebuild the Jets.

This doesn't mean the Jets are ever going to be as good without Revis as they were with him (in fact, I'd probably bet against it), but given where they were in terms of roster and cap, they needed the opportunity.

The Bucs are probably on a shortlist of top NFC teams right now. They're right where they need to be in the NFC South...whether you'd take them over the Falcons isn't really an important thing to decide in April.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's a trade that makes a lot of sense for both teams. Tampa gets really good, really fast, and didn't have to get married to Revis in terms of contract or draft value. The Jets get one of the most valuable assets in the NFL (a first round pick) at the point when its most valuable (week of the draft, GMs first season in town), and gives Izdek enough ammo over the next two years to rebuild the Jets.

This doesn't mean the Jets are ever going to be as good without Revis as they were with him (in fact, I'd probably bet against it), but given where they were in terms of roster and cap, they needed the opportunity.

The Bucs are probably on a shortlist of top NFC teams right now. They're right where they need to be in the NFC South...whether you'd take them over the Falcons isn't really an important thing to decide in April.

Well I'd say this, Bucs gotta lot more to prove on the field than the Falcons.

Let's remember how they ended the season last year (1-5), alot more questions than answers. I wouldnt move them ahead of the Saints nor the Falcons in that division.

In regards to the trade, makes sense for both sides and like it for both. Revis is still the best corner in the league. I certainly dont think it produces 3-5 wins for Tampa automatically.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well I'd say this, Bucs gotta lot more to prove on the field than the Falcons.

Let's remember how they ended the season last year (1-5), alot more questions than answers. I wouldnt move them ahead of the Saints nor the Falcons in that division.

In regards to the trade, makes sense for both sides and like it for both. Revis is still the best corner in the league. I certainly dont think it produces 3-5 wins for Tampa automatically.

I think the Saints (and Panthers) are a sub-.500 team at this point, so that is what is.

And the Falcons have a ton to prove as well. You can't take last years wins away from them, but you can point out that their point differential wasn't all that and they weren't particularly competitive in the playoffs last year after putting up a quick 20 points on the Seahawks.

The Bucs are still a huge projection at this point, but they have a ton of continuity on their roster: beyond Revis and Goldson, they changed practically nothing from last season. The NFC South is not a division of world beaters. I don't think they'd be ahead of the Falcons in a set of power rankings done today, but midseason power rankings are way more important all things considered.

I'd expect the Falcons to respond to this with an aggressive move up in the draft for a defensive player with an elite rating (Jordan or Milliner).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the Saints (and Panthers) are a sub-.500 team at this point, so that is what is.

And the Falcons have a ton to prove as well. You can't take last years wins away from them, but you can point out that their point differential wasn't all that and they weren't particularly competitive in the playoffs last year after putting up a quick 20 points on the Seahawks.

The Bucs are still a huge projection at this point, but they have a ton of continuity on their roster: beyond Revis and Goldson, they changed practically nothing from last season. The NFC South is not a division of world beaters. I don't think they'd be ahead of the Falcons in a set of power rankings done today, but midseason power rankings are way more important all things considered.

I'd expect the Falcons to respond to this with an aggressive move up in the draft for a defensive player with an elite rating (Jordan or Milliner).

Yeah I believe the entire NFC South has alot to prove this year. But one thing you cant underestimate is Sean Payton + Drew Brees reunited again. Whew I tell you what, I can see the chip on Sean Payton shoulder from right here in Richmond. Its huge.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah I believe the entire NFC South has alot to prove this year. But one thing you cant underestimate is Sean Payton + Drew Brees reunited again. Whew I tell you what, I can see the chip on Sean Payton shoulder from right here in Richmond. Its huge.

Sean Payton is awesome, no doubt. But if the Saints are going to be a playoff team, they're going to have to get better every week during the season, because they're far from a strong team at the moment.

The Bucs would probably be a lot closer in the eyes of many. It's a long season though.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's a trade that makes a lot of sense for both teams. Tampa gets really good, really fast, and didn't have to get married to Revis in terms of contract or draft value. The Jets get one of the most valuable assets in the NFL (a first round pick) at the point when its most valuable (week of the draft, GMs first season in town), and gives Izdek enough ammo over the next two years to rebuild the Jets.

This doesn't mean the Jets are ever going to be as good without Revis as they were with him (in fact, I'd probably bet against it), but given where they were in terms of roster and cap, they needed the opportunity.

The Bucs are probably on a shortlist of top NFC teams right now. They're right where they need to be in the NFC South...whether you'd take them over the Falcons isn't really an important thing to decide in April.

Freeman still makes them avg. He's just not that good IMO. I do agree about the team being overall better but NO is still better and so is ATL. Both of those teams have way better offenses and obviously QBs. Carolina could be better as well.

Seattle
SF
Washington
NyG
Gb

ARE all better than TB

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Freeman still makes them avg. He's just not that good IMO. I do agree about the team being overall better but NO is still better and so is ATL. Both of those teams have way better offenses and obviously QBs. Carolina could be better as well.

Seattle
SF
Washington
NyG
Gb

ARE all better than TB

I probably wouldn't agree about the NFC East teams being better. I think we're the best team (both present and in terms of future potential) in a weak division. When RG3 is back, healthy, and throwing it around, the Redskins will have a better case as NFC favorites.

Freeman's the huge question mark on that team right now, but he was also the NFL's most improved player last year (from 2011), so maybe there's more upside there. And I think you said Flacco was average at this time last year...and all he did was spend 16 regular season games proving you right. It might work out in spite of Josh Freeman.

New Orleans is just not good right now. That team is Brees, Graham, Jenkins, and a lot of over the hill guys (which may include Brees at this point, to be honest).

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Freeman still makes them avg. He's just not that good IMO. I do agree about the team being overall better but NO is still better and so is ATL. Both of those teams have way better offenses and obviously QBs. Carolina could be better as well.

Seattle
SF
Washington
NyG
Gb

ARE all better than TB

As good as Revis is, its still a QB driven league. Freeman decides how great the bucs will be, not Revis. The Bucs are still not a playoff team in my eyes.

the Jets on the other hand, should they get a good QB like Geno, could benefit a lot from this trade.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

As good as Revis is, its still a QB driven league. Freeman decides how great the bucs will be, not Revis. The Bucs are still not a playoff team in my eyes.

the Jets on the other hand, should they get a good QB like Geno, could benefit a lot from this trade.

But throws Revis will make up a significant portion of Matt Ryan and Drew Brees' stats next year.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Freeman still makes them avg. He's just not that good IMO. I do agree about the team being overall better but NO is still better and so is ATL. Both of those teams have way better offenses and obviously QBs. Carolina could be better as well.

Seattle
SF
Washington
NyG
Gb

ARE all better than TB

I would add ATL and no to that. Even chi