Update: Second Boston Marathon Suspect Captured

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

His uncle had something completely different to say.


Bombing Suspects’ Uncle: They Do Not Deserve To Live On This Earth « CBS Boston

He's right

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He's right

Interesting quote from the Uncle article.

Totally agree, gregoryvii - as Americans we look at the quote from the uncle and think that he is denouncing the brothers. However, look carefully at his words. First, the quote says "He deserved his." At first glance I took this to be a typo meaning instead "He deserved this." But, read it as written - to an Islamist supremacist, death by jihad involving the killing or maiming of infedels is rewarded with highest honors in the afterlife. "He deserved his," as well as "They do not deserve to live on this earth" could be taken to mean that he deserves that high honor. Of course, Americans misunderstand those statements because we look through a western lens, not the lens of Islamist supremacy - perfect example of Taqiyya, or intentional deception in order to further to cause of Islam.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Interesting quote from the Uncle article.

Totally agree, gregoryvii - as Americans we look at the quote from the uncle and think that he is denouncing the brothers. However, look carefully at his words. First, the quote says "He deserved his." At first glance I took this to be a typo meaning instead "He deserved this." But, read it as written - to an Islamist supremacist, death by jihad involving the killing or maiming of infedels is rewarded with highest honors in the afterlife. "He deserved his," as well as "They do not deserve to live on this earth" could be taken to mean that he deserves that high honor. Of course, Americans misunderstand those statements because we look through a western lens, not the lens of Islamist supremacy - perfect example of Taqiyya, or intentional deception in order to further to cause of Islam.

I think the poster is reading faaaaar too much into it and misapplying the term taqiyya. The uncle also called his nephew "a loser". To me, the uncle would not have used the derogatory term if he was invoking taqiyya - which is a self protection and limited in application to hiding was beliefs if that person is under immediate, mortal harm (further, Chechens are generally Sunni which doesn't recognize taqiyya as a formal principle since it was developed by the minority Shia muslims in response to majority Sunni oppression).

I would imagine that any follow-up will fully explore potential collaborators with these two. If the uncle is involved, I doubt he will be able to hide it. Until there is some evidence of that, however, I will take his statement at face value and assume he is both angered by and ashamed of the actions taken by his nephews.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think the poster is reading faaaaar too much into it and misapplying the term taqiyya. The uncle also called his nephew "a loser". To me, the uncle would not have used the derogatory term if he was invoking taqiyya - which is a self protection and limited in application to hiding was beliefs if that person is under immediate, mortal harm (further, Chechens are generally Sunni which doesn't recognize taqiyya as a formal principle since it was developed by the minority Shia muslims in response to majority Sunni oppression).

I would imagine that any follow-up will fully explore potential collaborators with these two. If the uncle is involved, I doubt he will be able to hide it. Until there is some evidence of that, however, I will take his statement at face value and assume he is both angered by and ashamed of the actions taken by his nephews.

Google the historian and theologian al Tabari, who was sunni. He said taqiyya is acceptable in certain circumstances. Also Kitman is always permitted when dealing with kufr.

Just because Chechens are generally sunni doesn't mean that they all are or that their observation of islam is the same as every other moslem.
Historically they have proved to be far more vociferous that most moslem groups. E.G. Beslan school attack.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think the poster is reading faaaaar too much into it and misapplying the term taqiyya. The uncle also called his nephew "a loser". To me, the uncle would not have used the derogatory term if he was invoking taqiyya - which is a self protection and limited in application to hiding was beliefs if that person is under immediate, mortal harm (further, Chechens are generally Sunni which doesn't recognize taqiyya as a formal principle since it was developed by the minority Shia muslims in response to majority Sunni oppression).

I would imagine that any follow-up will fully explore potential collaborators with these two. If the uncle is involved, I doubt he will be able to hide it. Until there is some evidence of that, however, I will take his statement at face value and assume he is both angered by and ashamed of the actions taken by his nephews.

I completely agree with you. It amazes me that some folks are trying so hard to stir up trouble which is not there, when there is plenty of real trouble already on our plate.

BTW Taqiyya is a concept born among the Shii and is especially embraced by the Druze. It does have very limited application in Sunni realms, but al Tabari and other Sunni theologians have justified it only as a last resort in very limited situations. Many Sunnis look down on the practice as a Shii practice and therefore an inferior (to them) practice.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I completely agree with you. It amazes me that some folks are trying so hard to stir up trouble which is not there, when there is plenty of real trouble already on our plate.

BTW Taqiyya is a concept born among the Shii and is especially embraced by the Druze. It does have very limited application in Sunni realms, but al Tabari and other Sunni theologians have justified it only as a last resort in very limited situations. Many Sunnis look down on the practice as a Shii practice and therefore an inferior (to them) practice.

New words I learned today.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

New words I learned today.

Is that an attempt at humor?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Is that an attempt at humor?

No I have never heard of those words before. Maybe if I heard them pronounced I recognize them.

Outside of the word jihad I know little about Muslims.

I guess I am being ignorant and I am honestly not prejudice towards them I just really don't give a flying F what they do or who they pray for.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I completely agree with you. It amazes me that some folks are trying so hard to stir up trouble which is not there, when there is plenty of real trouble already on our plate.

BTW Taqiyya is a concept born among the Shii and is especially embraced by the Druze. It does have very limited application in Sunni realms, but al Tabari and other Sunni theologians have justified it only as a last resort in very limited situations. Many Sunnis look down on the practice as a Shii practice and therefore an inferior (to them) practice.

Many radical moslems practice a different form of islam than the one your local imam will promote, regardless of whether sunni or shiia.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think the poster is reading faaaaar too much into it and misapplying the term taqiyya. The uncle also called his nephew "a loser". To me, the uncle would not have used the derogatory term if he was invoking taqiyya - which is a self protection and limited in application to hiding was beliefs if that person is under immediate, mortal harm (further, Chechens are generally Sunni which doesn't recognize taqiyya as a formal principle since it was developed by the minority Shia muslims in response to majority Sunni oppression).

I would imagine that any follow-up will fully explore potential collaborators with these two. If the uncle is involved, I doubt he will be able to hide it. Until there is some evidence of that, however, I will take his statement at face value and assume he is both angered by and ashamed of the actions taken by his nephews.

I'm with JR on this. I think people are grasping at straws on this one.



This is the reporter that spoke with the dad of the 2 suspects.

Bomb Suspects' Dad Calls on Son to Surrender - Yahoo!