Draft wrap-up 2013

[Alvin Walton]

Whos the Amish guy on the left?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Whos the Amish guy on the left?

The 2nd/3rd round Center the Cowboys picked with their first round pick.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Whos the Amish guy on the left?

That's Amos Frederick.

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The 2nd/3rd round Center the Cowboys picked with their first round pick.

Ha...that's him? Good job, Jerry.

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

You don't have to have glaring needs to add players to your football team. Look at Seattle signing Winfield, look at Denver adding Welker. I would not be surprised at all if the TE or one of the RB's we took turns into the best player for us from this draft. Just because we don't need big bodies right now doesn't mean we shouldn't draft them. On the contrary. We should draft them every year without fail.

The areas that I would have addressed this offseason were OL, DL, LB and DB. We got some DB's, lost Lorenzo Alexander and added one, yes that's one, linebacker in the draft. Pretty much every team in the league added players to their front sevens and offensive lines and we stood pat. In my eyes, that's a problem.

It's not what I would have done with limited resources. My plan would have been to focus on winning the trenches now that we have a QB. I would have been fine with it if we added more linebackers than we did. Any offseason that sees no depth or talent added to OL, DL and LB is a failure in my book. The draft contributed to that.

Yeah, we added some nice players too. And we needed those DB's badly.

So it's a C, not a D or an F.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TenandSix:Unacceptable

You don't have to have glaring needs to add players to your football team. Look at Seattle signing Winfield, look at Denver adding Welker. I would not be surprised at all if the TE or one of the RB's we took turns into the best player for us from this draft. Just because we don't need big bodies right now doesn't mean we shouldn't draft them. On the contrary. We should draft them every year without fail.

The areas that I would have addressed this offseason were OL, DL, LB and DB. We got some DB's, lost Lorenzo Alexander and added one, yes that's one, linebacker in the draft. Pretty much every team in the league added players to their front sevens and offensive lines and we stood pat. In my eyes, that's a problem.

It's not what I would have done with limited resources. My plan would have been to focus on winning the trenches now that we have a QB. I would have been fine with it if we added more linebackers than we did. Any offseason that sees no depth or talent added to OL, DL and LB is a failure in my book. The draft contributed to that.

Yeah, we added some nice players too. And we needed those DB's badly.

So it's a C, not a D or an F.

The draft isn't the only way to add talent.

We have signed lineman on both sides as well as linebackers. And we drafted a LB.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by TenandSix:Unacceptable

You don't have to have glaring needs to add players to your football team. Look at Seattle signing Winfield, look at Denver adding Welker. I would not be surprised at all if the TE or one of the RB's we took turns into the best player for us from this draft. Just because we don't need big bodies right now doesn't mean we shouldn't draft them. On the contrary. We should draft them every year without fail.

The areas that I would have addressed this offseason were OL, DL, LB and DB. We got some DB's, lost Lorenzo Alexander and added one, yes that's one, linebacker in the draft. Pretty much every team in the league added players to their front sevens and offensive lines and we stood pat. In my eyes, that's a problem.

It's not what I would have done with limited resources. My plan would have been to focus on winning the trenches now that we have a QB. I would have been fine with it if we added more linebackers than we did. Any offseason that sees no depth or talent added to OL, DL and LB is a failure in my book. The draft contributed to that.

Yeah, we added some nice players too. And we needed those DB's badly.

So it's a C, not a D or an F.

Ten, I really like your arguement and believe teams have to be built the same way, and I think Shanny agrees with you.

If you look at how he built the team, his plan addressed Oline and DLine first, now he is filling in the rest. Gotta remember how bad we were from a talent standpoint when he took over the team. Dline is the first area he really went after.

I also believe Shanny stuck by his best player available mantra this draft. Rambo, Reed, Jenkins, Thomas picks I think prove that.

Who did you like/or rather have taken?

[HailGreen28]

Unless the coaches know somebody is ready to step up, hope we address right tackle in free agency. Hopefully not an old or expensive guy ( fat chance right?).

[CRedskinsRule]

PS pro-footballreference has a great search tool that lets you slice and dice drafts of a team. Basically, I put in "all linemen", but you can do individual positions, or schools, or conferences or mix and match. Pretty nice.

[GTripp0012]

For comparison purposes, here's what our draft would have looked like if we had taken purely the highest rated non-QB on my board at every pick, no regard for need:

2 (51) - Keenan Allen, WR, Cal
3 (85) - Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia
4 (119) - Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
5 (154) - Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
5 (162) - Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson
6 (191) - Brandon Jenkins, OLB, Florida State*
7 (228) - Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State*

*Obviously these guys are only still available b/c we're redrafting the Redskins. Cierre Wood, RB, ND and Tony Jefferson, S, OU were my top undrafted players.

I guess the takeaways is that there was no way to get OL at good value, although there were DL to be had at good value (and we arguably got one of the best values there). And we were going to get DBs anyway. The draft was too deep in the secondary to not get DBs at BPA type value.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

For comparison purposes, here's what our draft would have looked like if we had taken purely the highest rated non-QB on my board at every pick, no regard for need:

2 (51) - Keenan Allen, WR, Cal
3 (85) - Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia
4 (119) - Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
5 (154) - Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
5 (162) - Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson
6 (191) - Brandon Jenkins, OLB, Florida State*
7 (228) - Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State*

*Obviously these guys are only still available b/c we're redrafting the Redskins. Cierre Wood, RB, ND and Tony Jefferson, S, OU were my top undrafted players.

I guess the takeaways is that there was no way to get OL at good value, although there were DL to be had at good value (and we arguably got one of the best values there). And we were going to get DBs anyway. The draft was too deep in the secondary to not get DBs at BPA type value.

This makes zero sense. There was absolutely no guarantee that Thomas and Jenkins would fall to us a round or many rounds later. We got Thomas in the fourth and Jenkins in the 5th.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

This makes zero sense. There was absolutely no guarantee that Thomas and Jenkins would fall to us a round or many rounds later. We got Thomas in the fourth and Jenkins in the 5th.

Which is why I gave you the next two up.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Which is why I gave you the next two up.

who are the next two up, because you're still not making sense

[That Guy]

we all know the whole point of zone blocking is that it let's you go cheap on the OL right? you take small faster guys that other teams pass over, giving you higher talent in lower rounds (than average) without needing to use high picks or big money on a ton of OL guys.

the 3-4 let's you shift the expense (picks and money) of your DE's onto your pass rushing OLBs instead (though they're harder to find, DEs make more per sack than OLBs in general, so 3-4 pass rushing OLBs end up at around what a 4-3 DEs would cost due to rarity).

we've got the people for our systems now. our RT sucks, but everyone else is fine. last year we had some bad injuries on the pass rushing front, but we signed merling, tapp, and drafted a guy to help with that rotation (and a bunch of OL guys). we didn't have much in the way of money to sign guys, and we had more pressing issues in the draft. I don't think a 3rd round OT or 7th round OG would have helped us any. the OLB and rambo were picked WAY below value, so you can't swap those out. thomas was below value too, as was the TE we got (which is the only pick that really could have been spent differently. Maybe amerson wasn't the DB of choice, but all the good corners were going to be gone by our pick in round 3, so it was a now or never choice).

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by That Guy

we all know the whole point of zone blocking is that it let's you go cheap on the OL right? you take small faster guys that other teams pass over, giving you higher talent in lower rounds (than average) without needing to use high picks or big money on a ton of OL guys.

the 3-4 let's you shift the expense (picks and money) of your DE's onto your pass rushing OLBs instead (though they're harder to find, DEs make more per sack than OLBs in general, so 3-4 pass rushing OLBs end up at around what a 4-3 DEs would cost due to rarity).

we've got the people for our systems now. our RT sucks, but everyone else is fine. last year we had some bad injuries on the pass rushing front, but we signed merling, tapp, and drafted a guy to help with that rotation (and a bunch of OL guys). we didn't have much in the way of money to sign guys, and we had more pressing issues in the draft. I don't think a 3rd round OT or 7th round OG would have helped us any. the OLB and rambo were picked WAY below value, so you can't swap those out. thomas was below value too, as was the TE we got (which is the only pick that really could have been spent differently. Maybe amerson wasn't the DB of choice, but all the good corners were going to be gone by our pick in round 3, so it was a now or never choice).

awesome post, says it all. I'm also betting Nixon ends up being a gem.


can't wait for next year with an extra $30-40 million to play with. we could be dangerous.

[That Guy]

oh yeah, we signed the best UDFA OT as well. it's not like we didn't do anything. we actually got a lot of bodies with what we had to work with.