Joe Gibbs and Veteran QB's

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I've heard this rumor alot about Joe Gibbs, mainly that he had a track record of sticking with veteran QB's, and not benching them even when they struggled at times.

I am too young to remember Joe Gibbs' first time around, although i know well of the veteran QB's that he won super bowls with.

But is it really true? Did he really stick with the vets over younger, possibly better options? I only remember the 2006 season when Joe Gibbs benched Brunell, and i remember nearly all media at that point believed that Brunell was not the problem, that he was only a scapegoat for a team that was completely under-performing.

So was it fan pressure that led to Brunell's benching? Campbell was not really that much better, so why not play Campbell for those remaining games to see what they had, evaluate, and then have a position battle the next year?

That is trues for Thiesmann before LT broke his leg.
In 1985 Joey T was having one of the worst year of his career as a Redskins starter 8 TD's to 16 INT's. I was very frustrated with Joey T, it was difficult to watch. Gibbs never even looked like he considered benching Joe.
When Schroeder came in it was a breath of fresh air. I think after that experience Joe was more willing to replace his starter.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is trues for Thiesmann before LT broke his leg.
In 1985 Joey T was having one of the worst year of his career as a Redskins starter 8 TD's to 16 INT's. I was very frustrated with Joey T, it was difficult to watch. Gibbs never even looked like he considered benching Joe.
When Schroeder came in it was a breath of fresh air. I think after that experience Joe was more willing to replace his starter.

Man, remember the 5 INTs on his birthday against Dallas to open the season? Or "The Punt" against Chicago?

The only guy who really never fell in Gibbs' good graces was Stan Humphries. Which is too bad because I always kind of liked Stan. But Stan was a bit of an underachiever

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Man, remember the 5 INTs on his birthday against Dallas to open the season? Or "The Punt" against Chicago?

The only guy who really never fell in Gibbs' good graces was Stan Humphries. Which is too bad because I always kind of liked Stan. But Stan was a bit of an underachiever

You're right though....always seemed like a good dude
Like Rypien.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Man, remember the 5 INTs on his birthday against Dallas to open the season? Or "The Punt" against Chicago?

The only guy who really never fell in Gibbs' good graces was Stan Humphries. Which is too bad because I always kind of liked Stan. But Stan was a bit of an underachiever

Stan did make it to a superbowl. Did he just under achieve here, or even in San Diego did he never tap his potential?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Man, remember the 5 INTs on his birthday against Dallas to open the season? Or "The Punt" against Chicago?

The only guy who really never fell in Gibbs' good graces was Stan Humphries. Which is too bad because I always kind of liked Stan. But Stan was a bit of an underachiever

Yeah and the Cowboys fans sang happy birthday to Joe. That was hilarious.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Man, remember the 5 INTs on his birthday against Dallas to open the season? Or "The Punt" against Chicago?

The only guy who really never fell in Gibbs' good graces was Stan Humphries. Which is too bad because I always kind of liked Stan. But Stan was a bit of an underachiever

Don't sell Stan short, Stan was a massive underachiever.
Stan had the body of a doughnut eating, video game playing softy. If Stan had a little bit of work ethic he would have been a great player.

Having said that I remember early on in Stan's Redskins career, Joe Gibbs saying Stan had a bright future and complimenting him in training camp. I remember being excited to finally seeing Stan play because Gibbs had talked him up.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Don't sell Stan short, Stan was a massive underachiever.
Stan had the body of a doughnut eating, video game playing softy. If Stan had a little bit of work ethic he would have been a great player.

Having said that I remember early on in Stan's Redskins career, Joe Gibbs saying Stan had a bright future and complimenting him in training camp. I remember being excited to finally seeing Stan play because Gibbs had talked him up.

I guess I have a short term memory with Stan Humphries only because it seems he had his best time of his career with San Diego right around the worst time to be a Washington Redskins fan. Grass is always greener on the other side, but I would have taken Stan Humphries over John Friesz or Heath Shuler.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I guess I have a short term memory with Stan Humphries only because it seems he had his best time of his career with San Diego right around the worst time to be a Washington Redskins fan. Grass is always greener on the other side, but I would have taken Stan Humphries over John Friesz or Heath Shuler.

Yeah and we only got a fourth round pick in trading him away. In hindsight that was a massive fail.
Something happen in his relationship with Gibbs. Rypien was no stellar athlete either and before the 92 season Rypien was not very good in actual games. So before Rypien ha his break out 92 season I was surprised Stan could not beat out Rypien. I was partial to Stan over Rypien.
I am not sure what the issue was with Stan and Gibbs/FO?
I have always assumed it was Stan not working hard enough.?.?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Yeah and we only got a fourth round pick in trading him away. In hindsight that was a massive fail.
Something happen in his relationship with Gibbs. Rypien was no stellar athlete either and before the 92 season Rypien was not very good in actual games. So before Rypien ha his break out 92 season I was surprised Stan could not beat out Rypien. I was partial to Stan over Rypien.
I am not sure what the issue was with Stan and Gibbs/FO?
I have always assumed it was Stan not working hard enough.?.?

As was I. And the pick ended up being a 3rd (it was a conditional 4th)

I was told by teammates and other people associated with the team back then that-and that is kind of convoluted so bear with me-Gibbs didn't like Humphries, never wanted to draft him. Mainly because of the work ethic questions. But Beathard was a big fan, and so was Richie Petitbon. And Cooke gave the overriding decision in Beathard's favor on the Humphries pick. And Beathard's thinking was that Gibbs had been hinting at retiring at the end of the 80s so Beathard figured he had his new coach and their mutually agreed upon QB ready to go for when Gibbs left. But Gibbs didn't go and Beathard moved on. And then he took Humphries just before Richie became HC, which pissed Richie off.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Yeah and we only got a fourth round pick in trading him away. In hindsight that was a massive fail.
Something happen in his relationship with Gibbs. Rypien was no stellar athlete either and before the 92 season Rypien was not very good in actual games. So before Rypien ha his break out 92 season I was surprised Stan could not beat out Rypien. I was partial to Stan over Rypien.
I am not sure what the issue was with Stan and Gibbs/FO?
I have always assumed it was Stan not working hard enough.?.?

I think a lot of Skins fans forget that Rip had some good years before 91. In 89 The Posse all went over a 1,000 yards. That doesn't happen in today's pass happy NFL. Guess who was throwing most of those balls? He was solid in 90 too and got us to the 2nd round before he choked against SF.