Donovan McNabb's comments in the Washington Post

[skinsfaninok]

Mcnabb is just jealous of Griffin, it's so obvious, he wanted to be a star in Washington and then after he sucked he blamed coaching. Bum

[Gtothearry]

Why does RGIII need to force friends? I think his family will take care of him just like they have all through the years.

To many ppl want contact with RGIII. Stick with who he has known since childhood. They seem to have done a great job so far.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

Why does RGIII need to force friends? I think his family will take care of him just like they have all through the years.

To many ppl want contact with RGIII. Stick with who he has known since childhood. They seem to have done a great job so far.

Agreed, besides if he needs someone to mentor him about the ways of life in The nfl he can always reach out to Micheal Vick...... Oh wait..

[Hog1]

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[The Goat]

I don't get the hate for NcNabb at all. It says more about the low character of those making negative comments about him than anything else per se. He was highly respected by coaches and players for nearly his entire career. He came to Washington on the decline, didn't fit the system and didn't get along with Mike Shanahan. When you look at the two men, Mike's had "interpersonal issues" with far more players and coaches than McNabb ever did. Mike doesn't seem to get along with a lot of people, going through D coordinators in Denver like crazy and having past players dislike him strongly.

That said, it's not really clear what McNabb has in mind to say to RG3?? If it's about protecting himself from being a runner, I think RG2's comments got the point across. If it's about RG3 focusing on leadership over stardom, McNabb might be able to lend some wisdom. It's a valid concern. RG3 needs to spend as much time with his teammates as possible, hard to do that when you're jet-setting to celeb events everywhere.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't get the hate for NcNabb at all. It says more about the low character of those making negative comments about him than anything else per se. He was highly respected by coaches and players for nearly his entire career. He came to Washington on the decline, didn't fit the system and didn't get along with Mike Shanahan. When you look at the two men, Mike's had "interpersonal issues" with far more players and coaches than McNabb ever did. Mike doesn't seem to get along with a lot of people, going through D coordinators in Denver like crazy and having past players dislike him strongly.

That said, it's not really clear what McNabb has in mind to say to RG3?? If it's about protecting himself from being a runner, I think RG2's comments got the point across. If it's about RG3 focusing on leadership over stardom, McNabb might be able to lend some wisdom. It's a valid concern. RG3 needs to spend as much time with his teammates as possible, hard to do that when you're jet-setting to celeb events everywhere.

When you show up in a new town and pretty much tell every single person on the team that you have no intention of working for a common goal, that pretty much tells me all I need to know about him.

The one person who respected him, Andy Reid, traded him within the division. Which in sports, is one of the biggest shows of disrespect that one can get. No way he comes to Washington if Reid thinks there is something left in the tank. He was sent from Philly with almost everyone of his team mates and an entire city not even caring enough to say goodbye. They all said good riddens.

He then took that hatred to the TV side of things only to have to backtrack on pretty much everything he said. But when he backtracked, he acted like he was always right to begin with, and took more shots that werent necessary.

Tom Coughlin, they wanted him gone, players hated him. 2 SB's later, hes a lovely guy. Same with Bill Parcells. Every coach that is deemed a disciplinarian has the same things said about them. Players hate them until they win the big one, and then players say they are great coaches. You put a ring on someones finger, and the things said tend to different.

Whether I have high character or low character or intermediate character or any other form of character or non character doesnt change the fact that McNabb is a tool and a cancer that doesnt need to be associated with RG3. If McNabb wants to talk about leadership, unless he is talking to a 5 year old, he would be on the receiving end of it, not giving the advice.

[The Goat]

[QUOTE=Skinzman;1010617]When you show up in a new town and pretty much tell every single person on the team that you have no intention of working for a common goal, that pretty much tells me all I need to know about him.

The one person who respected him, Andy Reid, traded him within the division. Which in sports, is one of the biggest shows of disrespect that one can get. No way he comes to Washington if Reid thinks there is something left in the tank. He was sent from Philly with almost everyone of his team mates and an entire city not even caring enough to say goodbye. They all said good riddens. QUOTE]

I didn't remember McNabb saying anything negative through that season?? What did he say exactly?

To be honest I thought he had some very solid games. What defined that season was the worst defense we'd seen in Washington in I think a decade. I believe we were bottom of the league in most categories. It was atrocious, and 100% the result of Mike blowing up the defense we had. So, if there's a culprit for a shitty season that year, pointing to McNabb is, again, a real cheap shot.

Per the trade, it says just as much about our FO/coaches taking McNabb as it does Reid letting him go. It was obvious he was on the decline. And everyone knew he came from a pass heavy offense to a run heavy offense. So to work it would have taken a lot of adjustment from both sides IMO.

But regardless, defense was the big problem that year, as has been Mike's theme in Washington so far. To pretend otherwise is silly.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I didn't remember McNabb saying anything negative through that season?? What did he say exactly?

You really have selective memory. You don't remember his agent blasting Mike and Kyle claiming things that McNabb felt? Who do you think all that shit came from? McScrub himself. Then he didn't even disagree with his agent when it came out in the press, but claimed he didn't feel that way. C'mon man...

Originally Posted by The Goat

Per the trade, it says just as much about our FO/coaches taking McNabb as it does Reid letting him go. It was obvious he was on the decline.

I agree with that. Not all the FO was on board with this. We know at least Kyle didnt' want McNabb in the first place.

Originally Posted by The Goat

But regardless, defense was the big problem that year, as has been Mike's theme in Washington so far. To pretend otherwise is silly.

No. QB play was a huge reason, which is why McNabb got benched.

[Skinzman]

[quote=The Goat;1010704]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

When you show up in a new town and pretty much tell every single person on the team that you have no intention of working for a common goal, that pretty much tells me all I need to know about him.

The one person who respected him, Andy Reid, traded him within the division. Which in sports, is one of the biggest shows of disrespect that one can get. No way he comes to Washington if Reid thinks there is something left in the tank. He was sent from Philly with almost everyone of his team mates and an entire city not even caring enough to say goodbye. They all said good riddens. QUOTE]

I didn't remember McNabb saying anything negative through that season?? What did he say exactly?

To be honest I thought he had some very solid games. What defined that season was the worst defense we'd seen in Washington in I think a decade. I believe we were bottom of the league in most categories. It was atrocious, and 100% the result of Mike blowing up the defense we had. So, if there's a culprit for a shitty season that year, pointing to McNabb is, again, a real cheap shot.

Per the trade, it says just as much about our FO/coaches taking McNabb as it does Reid letting him go. It was obvious he was on the decline. And everyone knew he came from a pass heavy offense to a run heavy offense. So to work it would have taken a lot of adjustment from both sides IMO.

But regardless, defense was the big problem that year, as has been Mike's theme in Washington so far. To pretend otherwise is silly.

I guess I explained it wrong. He didnt say he had no intention of working for a common goal, he just refused to actually work for that common goal. I usually phrase a lack of trying as "saying they didnt want to".

He openly refused to wear a wrist brace because he cared more about his image than he did for his team mates.

To me, that says it all about McNabb.

As for the trade, I agree with you there. I never wanted him here and thought it was a mistake to trade for him. But overall, the acquiring of players has gone much better under Shanny and Allen than it ever went with Vinny and Snyder running the show. I dont expect perfection as I know it wont happen, but I expect more hits than misses. McNabb was clearly a miss and they deserve criticism for it as a single move, but overall the team has more talent now than it had prior to their arrival, as well as being much younger.

Its not a cheap shot to point to McNabb. Yardage wise he was actually doing good. Interception wise and getting into the end zone wise, he was making Grossman look pretty good. How many players really stepped up and "had his back" after he was benched?

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't get the hate for NcNabb at all. It says more about the low character of those making negative comments about him than anything else per se. He was highly respected by coaches and players for nearly his entire career. He came to Washington on the decline, didn't fit the system and didn't get along with Mike Shanahan. When you look at the two men, Mike's had "interpersonal issues" with far more players and coaches than McNabb ever did. Mike doesn't seem to get along with a lot of people, going through D coordinators in Denver like crazy and having past players dislike him strongly.

That said, it's not really clear what McNabb has in mind to say to RG3?? If it's about protecting himself from being a runner, I think RG2's comments got the point across. If it's about RG3 focusing on leadership over stardom, McNabb might be able to lend some wisdom. It's a valid concern. RG3 needs to spend as much time with his teammates as possible, hard to do that when you're jet-setting to celeb events everywhere.

Plenty of McNabb's teammates liked TO better as a teammate.

McNabb never dealt with his team and fans as well as RG3 already has. His comments about Griffin sound bitter and kinda... clueless? He also demonstrated how to be a bad passive-aggressive team mate while he was here. And McNabb trashed Shanahan about RG3 before RG3 arrived here.

It's too bad McNabb never had someone like RG3 to talk to, when McNabb was a rookie.

But to suggest McNabb has anything constructive to tell RG3, while he's criticizing RG3 now for things like Griffin's classy handling of the fans' wedding gifts, is a joke.

[mooby]

I really wish there was something interesting to discuss right now besides this. I haven't even read McNabb's comments on RG3, mainly because I don't care what he thinks about RG3.

Also, just a quick question Goat, kinda semi-related to the subject at hand. Is there a single topic at all concerning the Redskins that you have ever just agreed with everybody else about? At some point it's started to feel like you just play devil's advocate because it's your "role" so to speak.

[Hog1]

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[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Hog1

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[FRPLG]

McNabb's only real sin is and has been that he doesn't know when to shut up. He's certainly isn't a bad guy as evidenced by the respect he supposedly has...although I'm not sure I recall everyone tripping over each other to defend the guy much. He has had similar issues in the past...even in Philly. Remember the meltdowns with TO. Crazy as he was he didn't seem to fight with individual players in the media other than McNabb.

[MTK]

If McNabb really cared about reaching out to RG3 as a friend he wouldn't be blabbing about this to the media.